TresHuevos wrote:Meh, who cares? Is it illegal? No. I don't carry a gun to conceal it, I conceal it as a matter of law, tactics and just general convenience because I wouldn't want to put up with people's comments and questions.
It may be illegal.
GC §411.171. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:
(1) Repealed by Acts 2013, 83rd Leg., R.S., Ch. 1302, Sec. 14(1), eff. June 14,
2013.
(2) “Chemically dependent person” means a person who frequently or
repeatedly becomes intoxicated by excessive indulgence in alcohol or uses
controlled substances or dangerous drugs so as to acquire a fixed habit and an
involuntary tendency to become intoxicated or use those substances as often
as the opportunity is presented. (3) “Concealed handgun” means a handgun, the presence of which is not
openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person.
Bold emphasis is mine. Just because it is covered doesn't mean it is concealed. I had a friend that carried like this and the first time I witnessed his carry method I pointed it out to him. Prior to that incident, neither of us knew the other had a CHL and had never discussed firearms. Since he was a friend it was easy to say something. If he were a stranger, I probably wouldn't have said anything and just realized how much of a failure he was at concealment.
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WildBill wrote:Every time this topic comes up I get a kick out of the responses.
There is the MYOB crowd and the "nobody notices anyway" group and the people who are trying to be helpful people.
I think I fall into the "trying to be helpful" group.
It seems that some people's attitude may be different just because the observation involves a concealed or not-so-concealed handgun.
One on the things I like about Texas is that the people are more friendly that in many parts of the country.
I wouldn't make a special effort to approach a person I saw at a distance or who I didn't have any reason to contact.
Some people in Texas will start up a conversation while standing in line at a bank or in the store.
In such a situation such as standing in line or engaging a person in a similar situation I would react differently that approaching a stranger.
My reaction would be the same as if the person had his fly unzipped, a long string of toilet paper trailing from his shoe, or a booger hanging from his nose.
Personally, I would appreciate being told.
Maybe I am way out of line, but I have made compliments about the appearance of another man's wife.
Why do you assume its a GG?
Why do you assume he's not a giant piece of male genitalia and will take offense?
WildBill wrote:Every time this topic comes up I get a kick out of the responses.
There is the MYOB crowd and the "nobody notices anyway" group and the people who are trying to be helpful people.
I think I fall into the "trying to be helpful" group.
It seems that some people's attitude may be different just because the observation involves a concealed or not-so-concealed handgun.
One on the things I like about Texas is that the people are more friendly that in many parts of the country.
I wouldn't make a special effort to approach a person I saw at a distance or who I didn't have any reason to contact.
Some people in Texas will start up a conversation while standing in line at a bank or in the store.
In such a situation such as standing in line or engaging a person in a similar situation I would react differently that approaching a stranger.
My reaction would be the same as if the person had his fly unzipped, a long string of toilet paper trailing from his shoe, or a booger hanging from his nose.
Personally, I would appreciate being told.
Maybe I am way out of line, but I have made compliments about the appearance of another man's wife.
Why do you assume its a GG?
Why do you assume he's not a giant piece of male genitalia and will take offense?
I wouldn't automatically assume that he is a GG.
I would watch and listen and base my decision on my observations.
Of coursed the important question that wasn't asked was "if I shout LOOK OUT CRAZY WITH A GUN!" how will that impact the line in front of me and the time it takes to get my coffee?
jigglypuff wrote:I can't wait to hear what the helpful guys would say to a woman wearing yoga pants at Starbucks.
I'm certain they would be terrified of a woman with a gun, and hit hit the door running!
My advice is to be careful and pay close attention to the signs that may be indicative of whether or not they're a BG, or GG. I'd hate to approach a robber just before he sticks up the cashier! I'd avoid if possible, there's no telling if they're even a chl holder.
Sent from Iphone: Please IGNORE any grammatical or spelling errors. ALL of my statements are to be considered opinionated and not factual.
TresHuevos wrote:Meh, who cares? Is it illegal? No. I don't carry a gun to conceal it, I conceal it as a matter of law, tactics and just general convenience because I wouldn't want to put up with people's comments and questions.
It may be illegal.
GC §411.171. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:
(1) Repealed by Acts 2013, 83rd Leg., R.S., Ch. 1302, Sec. 14(1), eff. June 14,
2013.
(2) “Chemically dependent person” means a person who frequently or
repeatedly becomes intoxicated by excessive indulgence in alcohol or uses
controlled substances or dangerous drugs so as to acquire a fixed habit and an
involuntary tendency to become intoxicated or use those substances as often
as the opportunity is presented. (3) “Concealed handgun” means a handgun, the presence of which is not
openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person.
Bold emphasis is mine. Just because it is covered doesn't mean it is concealed. I had a friend that carried like this and the first time I witnessed his carry method I pointed it out to him. Prior to that incident, neither of us knew the other had a CHL and had never discussed firearms. Since he was a friend it was easy to say something. If he were a stranger, I probably wouldn't have said anything and just realized how much of a failure he was at concealment.
Covered by a shirt is not "openly discernible". I believe Keith B. put it best, "Unless the shirt is so tight you can read the word Glock on the bottom of the magazine, it is still concealed".
"Since it is so likely that children will meet cruel enemies let them at least have heard of brave knights and heroic deeds." - C.S. Lewis
My State Rep Joe Moody is a liberal puke who won't even acknowledge my communications with him. How about yours?
TresHuevos wrote:Meh, who cares? Is it illegal? No. I don't carry a gun to conceal it, I conceal it as a matter of law, tactics and just general convenience because I wouldn't want to put up with people's comments and questions. .[/(800) 438-4357quote]
It may be illegal.
GC §411.171. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:
(1) Repealed by Acts 2013, 83rd Leg., R.S., Ch. 1302, Sec. 14(1), eff. June 14,
2013.
(2) “Chemically dependent person” means a person who frequently or
repeatedly becomes intoxicated by excessive indulgence in alcohol or uses
controlled substances or dangerous drugs so as to acquire a fixed habit and an
involuntary tendency to become intoxicated or use those substances as often
as the opportunity is presented. (3) “Concealed handgun” means a handgun, the presence of which is not
openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person.
Bold emphasis is mine. Just because it is covered doesn't mean it is concealed. I had a friend that carried like this and the first time I witnessed his carry method I pointed it out to him. Prior to that incident, neither of us knew the other had a CHL and had never discussed firearms. Since he was a friend it was easy to say something. If he were a stranger, I probably wouldn't have said anything and just realized how much of a failure he was at concealment.
Covered by a shirt is not "openly discernible". I believe Keith B. put it best, "Unless the shirt is so tight you can read the word Glock on the bottom of the magazine, it is still concealed".
I disagree. The law says the presence of which is not openly discernable, it doesn't say the gun itself. If you are wearing a tight fitting shirt where a gun is clearly indicated, the presence of a gun is discernable. I would expect trouble with law enforcement. I think the term openly would be interpreted to mean clearly, and not necessarily open as in open carry. You may beat the wrap but not the ride. I suspect you may not beat the rap.
TresHuevos wrote:Meh, who cares? Is it illegal? No. I don't carry a gun to conceal it, I conceal it as a matter of law, tactics and just general convenience because I wouldn't want to put up with people's comments and questions.
It may be illegal.
GC §411.171. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:
(1) Repealed by Acts 2013, 83rd Leg., R.S., Ch. 1302, Sec. 14(1), eff. June 14,
2013.
(2) “Chemically dependent person” means a person who frequently or
repeatedly becomes intoxicated by excessive indulgence in alcohol or uses
controlled substances or dangerous drugs so as to acquire a fixed habit and an
involuntary tendency to become intoxicated or use those substances as often
as the opportunity is presented. (3) “Concealed handgun” means a handgun, the presence of which is not
openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person.
Bold emphasis is mine. Just because it is covered doesn't mean it is concealed. I had a friend that carried like this and the first time I witnessed his carry method I pointed it out to him. Prior to that incident, neither of us knew the other had a CHL and had never discussed firearms. Since he was a friend it was easy to say something. If he were a stranger, I probably wouldn't have said anything and just realized how much of a failure he was at concealment.
Covered by a shirt is not "openly discernible". I believe Keith B. put it best, "Unless the shirt is so tight you can read the word Glock on the bottom of the magazine, it is still concealed".
I disagree. The law says the presence of which is not openly discernable, it doesn't say the gun itself. If you are wearing a tight fitting shirt where a gun is clearly indicated, the presence of a gun is discernable. I would expect trouble with law enforcement. I think the term openly would be interpreted to mean clearly, and not necessarily open as in open carry. You may beat the wrap but not the ride. I suspect you may not beat the rap.
That is my point. Mine is covered by a shirt with barely a bulge of any sort. The OP said,
I can clearly see the outline of a pistol and a kydex holster.
My former friend had a t-shirt that was either white or a light blue that was also so snug that knew it was the mid-sized Glock, either .40 or 9mm. Anyone could tell it was a gun, but maybe the average person wouldn't know what make or model.
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TresHuevos wrote:Meh, who cares? Is it illegal? No. I don't carry a gun to conceal it, I conceal it as a matter of law, tactics and just general convenience because I wouldn't want to put up with people's comments and questions.
It may be illegal.
GC §411.171. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:
(1) Repealed by Acts 2013, 83rd Leg., R.S., Ch. 1302, Sec. 14(1), eff. June 14,
2013.
(2) “Chemically dependent person” means a person who frequently or
repeatedly becomes intoxicated by excessive indulgence in alcohol or uses
controlled substances or dangerous drugs so as to acquire a fixed habit and an
involuntary tendency to become intoxicated or use those substances as often
as the opportunity is presented. (3) “Concealed handgun” means a handgun, the presence of which is not
openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person.
Bold emphasis is mine. Just because it is covered doesn't mean it is concealed. I had a friend that carried like this and the first time I witnessed his carry method I pointed it out to him. Prior to that incident, neither of us knew the other had a CHL and had never discussed firearms. Since he was a friend it was easy to say something. If he were a stranger, I probably wouldn't have said anything and just realized how much of a failure he was at concealment.
Covered by a shirt is not "openly discernible". I believe Keith B. put it best, "Unless the shirt is so tight you can read the word Glock on the bottom of the magazine, it is still concealed".
I disagree. The law says the presence of which is not openly discernable, it doesn't say the gun itself. If you are wearing a tight fitting shirt where a gun is clearly indicated, the presence of a gun is discernable. I would expect trouble with law enforcement. I think the term openly would be interpreted to mean clearly, and not necessarily open as in open carry. You may beat the wrap but not the ride. I suspect you may not beat the rap.
That is my point. Mine is covered by a shirt with barely a bulge of any sort. The OP said,
I can clearly see the outline of a pistol and a kydex holster.
My former friend had a t-shirt that was either white or a light blue that was also so snug that knew it was the mid-sized Glock, either .40 or 9mm. Anyone could tell it was a gun, but maybe the average person wouldn't know what make or model.
C-dub, sorry. I was referring to the statement below yours in the text I quoted above. This is what I think is problematic, from TresHuevos:
Covered by a shirt is not "openly discernible". I believe Keith B. put it best, "Unless the shirt is so tight you can read the word Glock on the bottom of the magazine, it is still concealed".
I have often seen people carrying bags and cases that didn't seem to fit the norm and raised my suspicions. The tennis racket cases and covert carry rifle case are anything but covert. Especially when when you take them to the office or the mall. As CHL's who are always looking for ways to put more things in less space we to notice thngs more than most people. There is always the occasional " printer" whom you suspect is carrying.
I always wanted to say "Hey, what kind of gun are you carrying?" 1. Because I really want to know. 2. To let them know they are not as concealed as they might think. But i never say anything.
No one has ever said anything to me and I'm positive that I have either printed or otherwise had the gun exposed at onetime or another. It happens even when you are wearing the right clothes.
Chance favors the prepared.Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless. There is no safety in denial.When seconds count the Police are only minutes away. Sometimes I really wish a lawyer would chime in and clear things up. Do we have any lawyers on this forum?
gljjt wrote:
C-dub, sorry. I was referring to the statement below yours in the text I quoted above. This is what I think is problematic, from TresHuevos:
Covered by a shirt is not "openly discernible". I believe Keith B. put it best, "Unless the shirt is so tight you can read the word Glock on the bottom of the magazine, it is still concealed".
No apology necessary. I was agreeing with you and you stated what I failed to get across when I posted the statute.
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When no one is looking just yell "GUN!" and then report back to share the outcome.
For real though, just mind your own. Now that you're aware just keep your eye on him when he is in there.
Or, next time you see him just be like "Nice. What is that a G17?" He'd be borderline mentally retarded to not realize he was printing badly enough for you to talk about it.
I know I'd probably get really red faced (out of embarrassment, not anger) if someone asked me about my carry gun that they weren't even supposed to know I had.
