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The Annoyed Man wrote: Good grief. Cars and bicycles are not the same thing, and the nation's roads and highways were designed for use by cars and trucks, not for bicycles.
And the laws written for travel on public roads also are for cars and trucks, not for bicycles.

Plain and simple.

I was going to write a long response but who cares? Everyone who has ridden a bicycle in traffic for any length of time already agrees with me and everyone else will not understand the point. The summary is this: the inconvenience of drivers is not nearly equal to the risk of life and limb to cyclists. I am taking my life into my own hands when I get out on the road, because drivers don't notice me, misjudge my speed, think they have to go faster, and make stupid decisions while driving around bicycles that endanger my life. I am going to do everything in my power to stack the deck in my favor. You might have to follow me for a block at 20mph but that is not going to kill you. However if you try and pass me on my left and then misjudge my speed and make a right turn right on top of me, that might very well kill me. Forgive me for riding my bicycle defensively.
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This thread has drifted away from the orginal topic. Please move it back to that discussion.
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Back on topic? There are many options. Here are some of them.
  • Change jobs
  • Change the company policy
  • Change the law
  • Drive to work
  • Leave your handgun in a friend's car trunk
  • Don't carry at work and accept that's your choice
  • Carry against policy and hope you don't get caught
  • Become a peace officer
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I think that about sums it up!
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bdickens wrote:I think that about sums it up!
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mr.72 wrote:
Life has to have balance...
I find that if I carry two magazines on my weak side it pretty well balances out the weight of my Kimber on my strong side.

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anygunanywhere wrote:
mr.72 wrote: Life has to have balance...
I find that if I carry two magazines on my weak side it pretty well balances out the weight of my Kimber on my strong side.
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Alas it appears to be kind of a moot point since the 30.06 sign appears to not be legit.

I hadn't noticed that the language on the sign is outdated until yesterday, and I took a pic with my camera phone and posted it in another topic.

Still not sure I want to risk being the test case for the validity of an almost-accurate 30.06 sign... but at least it makes me feel a LITTLE better.
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Just buy a mount and carry a rifle like this guy:


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mr.72 wrote:Still not sure I want to risk being the test case for the validity of an almost-accurate 30.06 sign... but at least it makes me feel a LITTLE better.
'Course, if a company representative has told you orally that guns aren't allowed, it carries the same weight of law as a valid 30.06 sign. A sneaky thing my company does is have us sign an ackowledgement annually that we have been told about, understand, and agree to all HR policies, including the policy on weapons.
KaiserB wrote:Just buy a mount and carry a rifle like this guy...
But, mr.72, stick to your normal bike helmet, please. Not one like that... :smilelol5:
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mr.72 wrote:Bike is stored INSIDE the building.

There is no place to lock a bicycle outside the building, and even if there was, that is a major theft magnet.

Have any of you guys ridden a bicycle any distance before? Putting 10+ lb of extra racks, boxes, etc. onto the bicycle and riding it to work are just simply not an option. A hard plastic lockable pistol case small enough that it only holds a pistol and nothing else would be ok, as long as I could take it into the building in my bag and put it in my locker. However this is obviously not going to work.

Things like this make a CHL kind of useless for a lot of people. I know, not you.
I do. I used to ride ~200 miles a week on a Trek 2300, and completely understand your position. This is why I haven't had anything to contribute to this particular discussion. Cyclists are at a distinct disadvantage regarding CHL, as there is nowhere to secure weapons when traveling to a place that is prohibited. Cyclists are distinctly vulnerable to attack (I was victim to 2 hit-and-runs myself as a cyclist). Unfortunately, there's no good way to make it work in your situation, as far as I can tell. As you stated, storing a bicycle outdoors most places is foolish, and storing a gun in a container (regardless of how well it is locked) attached to that bicycle is not only foolish but irresponsible, bordering on negligent.

This is one of the reasons I do not ride much today. My work brings me to many locations, a significant portion of which are specifically prohibited places (schools, etc.) and the dynamics of my workday require that I occasionally disarm or fall back to BUG only in the middle of the day without prior notice. Such a situation would be unworkable without the secure storage location that my vehicle provides. I also have to carry a somewhat significant quanitiy of tools and equipment and occasionally drive distances that would not be feasible on a bike. It is a compromise I have made to accommodate my choice to go about armed with a handgun. Your case and choices are different, and I respect that.

I currently have an employment situation where not one word has been mentioned (or written) regarding weapons. I have not said a word to my boss either, and it will stay that way unless it absolutely must come up. If my current place of employment were to give me notice per TPC 30.06, I would abide by the law, find another employer immediately, and turn in my 2 weeks notice as soon as the new job was secured. It is a choice I am prepared to make, in my specific situation. The same may not be true for me with a different employer, depending on the circumstances.

The point I want to make with my ramblings is that I respect that you have your own priorities and want to make this work. Failing a place close by to secure your weapon (trusted friend's house, relative's house, trusted friend's business, etc.), it doesn't appear that there's much that can be done in your situation. You have to decide what your priorities are, and make your decision. Do understand that you are not as alone as you think you may be on this forum, and that there are people who understand your predicament and decisions. There will be a lot of people who do not understand those things and give you uninformed advice. Try not to take it personally, it's only because your situation and lifestyle are foreign to many people here.

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I just read your other post about the sign. It looks like you have a tough decision to make. As you describe (and picture) it, proper 30.06 wording hasn't been met, and the manner they are posted and your description on the background of the company tend to tell me that the signs may be intentionally ridiculous. The fact that they are only posted on public-access doors indicates to me that the signs were really targeted at visitors, not employees. As long as I'm presuming things here, I'd say that the local company posted the signs to comply with a request of some kind passed down from corporate HQ, and were deliberately posted at non-staff enterances with improper wording.

Then again, I may be completely wrong. However, from what you've described, you've not been given verbal notice, nor have you been given proper written notice (via sign or written document). Whether it is important enough for you to go armed to work is only something for you to answer, but it appears that you have the choice, legally speaking.

Also, I am not a lawyer, just to make that clear.
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I don't think the signs are intentionally wrong. However I don't know when the law changed that would have affected the wording of the sign. They have been there for as long as that building has been there, completely unchanged, and it's been about since 1998.

I know a number of years ago there were a couple of mid-level managers who had guns in their cars for range trips and talked about it openly, there was no recourse. Like I say, this is Texas, and most of the people who work here are Texans who value freedom and do not have the bay-area mindset of the corporate HQ folks. So I am sure the signs are required by company policy, but not likely readily endorsed by the local management.

It's still a slippery situation and it's unlikely that I am going to carry while at work. I don't want to be the test case for invalid 30.06 signs. I'll let someone do that in Taco Cabana somewhere :)
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mr.72 wrote:being armed is not my top priority in my life.
I just wasted five minutes of my precious life on a rhetorical question. Ugh! :nono:

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Photoman wrote:
mr.72 wrote:being armed is not my top priority in my life.
I just wasted five minutes of my precious life on a rhetorical question. Ugh! :nono:
This wasn't a rhetorical question.

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chewy555 wrote:I would have to say that unless you can figure out a way to put a safe on your bike then it would be a no to your question. And at this time, I can not think of how to put a safe on a bike and it not look like a safe on the bike.


Get a big new seat, hollow it out and put a small gunsafe in it.

Put like a tractor seat on your bike or something
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