Alamo Drafthouse?

[doublepush]

ELB,

Great comments.

You wrote: "I guess I can just wait for the general attitude toward personal protection to change." Why are you "waiting?" Don't know how old you are, am guessing 20's? I am, ahem, a bit older. Believe me, the general attitude toward personal protection has changed immensely since I was in my 20s. It did not happen by people waiting. People pushed, pushed hard, and there was some blood along the way (see Suzanna Hupp).

Do what you can now. If you are not a TSRA and NRA member, join up. Some think the NRA too tame, so there are even more aggressive organizations. Don't wait. One of my ways to "not wait" is to not patronize businesses that foolishly think keeping out CHL holders is somehow makes them safer. You have to decide for yourself, just make sure you think it all the way through. Good luck.

When I wrote that I was waiting for the general attitude to change, I was referring to both my employer and the Draft House. In fact, I probably had more in mind my employer. I had an in-depth conversation with the VP of HR here, and while he's not anti, he probably sees the responsibility to the company in general and to the insurers. That's why he doesn't want firearms in company buildings. So I leave mine in my car. Perhaps one day insurers won't see CHL holders as liabilities, and attitudes like this will change.

Your call to action is inspiring. I myself am balancing a number of things: work life, church life, a serious dating relationship that will probably lead to marriage in the next year, etc. When I took the CHL class, I fooled myself and my girlfriend into thinking I would only carry occasionally. Then I found this forum. Now I take various baby steps toward more serious involvement in the exercise of my 2A rights. Perhaps one day I will forgo the Draft House... but that means not going when my friends want to go. I'm already somewhat typecast as a gun nut to my friends; I don't want to be "that guy" all the time. In fact, I'd rather be a "sleeper cell" for 2A causes. If you saw me (a Yankee), you wouldn't think I was the type to carry.

For what it's worth, I've heard that the Lake Creek Draft House is a franchisee, as are the Houston ones. Do the central locations have the non-compliant 30.06 signs?

-Brent

[jhutto]

Although I like the alamo draft house... I 100% agree with this... except maybe the Sarcasm was a bit over the top.

""Therefore, I exercise my right ("Uh-oh, look out! Someone is exercising their rights!") to not support them with my money, and I also exercise my right ("Uh-oh, look out! There he goes again!) to say this out loud and to encourage others to avoid patronizing such establishments. ""'

The only thing that seems to change things these days is MONEY

[ELB]

Doublepush -- excellent, do what you can and keep up the good work. I'm impressed you engaged the HR guy, if somewhat unsuccessfully. We can't all be firebrand activists all the time, I am sure not, but at least we try to keep the ball moving the right direction.

YoungGuy - You're a good sport! Keep up the good work!

elb

[McKnife]

I posted about this subject a long time ago (see ELB's post above for link)

I am proud to say I have never been since. However, if I ever do.... I WILL CARRY due to the fact the sign is not law abiding! and i wont make the mistake of pointing it out to them.

P.S. Alamo Drafthouse has crappy customer service anyhow... I hate all of 'em!

[lawrnk]

ELB,

Gotta disagree with you on the service. If you don't believe my story, ask JasonH. He worked with me then.

I had a big service problem on opening day at west oaks. I wrote a letter. The President drove 20 miles to my work, brought an italian creme cake, hats, shirts, and 18 month free admission passes and a hand written apology. Next time I came in, the Managing parter personally waited on me for my entire meal and comp'ed it. Hard to believe, but I speak the truth.

[ELB]

ELB,

Gotta disagree with you on the service. If you don't believe my story, ask JasonH. He worked with me then.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I've never been to Alamo Draft House, and as far as I remember on this thread, I made no comments about their service, just their uncompliant/unenforceable sign and their poor decision making in trying to ban CHL holders, based on the descriptions and photos of those that have been there. In fact, I think I said it sounds like a nice fun place, again based on others' descriptions.



elb

[drinks]

TSRA members can order a business card that has no guns on one end and no money on the other end, in the international sign language, it also has some very telling prose with it, I have some and pass them out when the occasion arises

[KooLLaiD]

At first after re-reading some of the CHL Handbook I did not think there were any legal ramifications, see Page 27 GC 411.204, but then I kept reading and saw that there are, and that there is not Height/color/print requirements of 30.06 per Page 34 PC38.01 (3)

Newest version is here:http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/ls-16.pdf

[frankie_the_yankee]

At first after re-reading some of the CHL Handbook I did not think there were any legal ramifications, see Page 27 GC 411.204, but then I kept reading and saw that there are, and that there is not Height/color/print requirements of 30.06 per Page 34 PC38.01 (3)

Newest version is here:http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/ls-16.pdf

The section you refer to covers 51% establishments.

In a 51% establishment, you can not carry whether it is posted or not. It is supposed to be posted, but even if the owner fails to post it, you can still get in trouble for carrying there. How you are supposed to know it is 51% is beyond me but that is the way the law is written.

But the Alamo Draft House is not a 51% establishment. So the correct section of law is 30.06. And undeer this section, if the sign is non-compliant it is not enforceable.

They can still verbally notify you that you can't carry there, but if your gun is concealed how would they know?