Would you fire a warning shot?

[jimlongley]

[quote="Flatland2D]Jim, let me ask you a question. Have you ever asked for a Band-aid when you really meant to ask for an adhesive bandage?[/quote]

Not since I started teaching first aid courses in the 60s.

[quote="Flatland2D] Have you called a tissue a Kleenex when the brand you used was not made by them?[/quote]

Not in a very long time, I make it a point to call them tissues.

[quote="Flatland2D]Have you eaten store brand gelatin but called it Jell-O anyway? [/quote]

Besides the fact that I am not allowed to eat gelatin based foods, I maintain an awareness of the differences between brand names and generics and try assiduously to differentiate between them.

[quote="Flatland2D]I'm going to guess you have at some point used incorrect terminology on one or all three of those examples. Oh my gosh, let's all point and laugh at Jim for calling something it technically isn't! (hint: read with extreme sarcasm) [/quote]

That would be a poor guess on your part, and when did anyone point and laugh at you? You were gently corrected, but instead of accepting the correction you insisted that you and only you were right, leading to further attempts to convince you of the error of your ways. If anyone has made fun of you, it has been you.


[quote="Flatland2D]As for the laser beam, just make it a point to shine it in their eyes. Problem solved. [/quote]

So, according to your example, where you were going to shine the laser on them while they were quite possibly not facing you (you already fired your warning shot in your scenario) what would you do to get it in their eyes, run around in front of them? And if you were just shining the laser on them while they were doing whatever they were doing, you still probably have to move to get the laser in their eyes.

[quote="Flatland2D]A laser has a greater intimidation factor thanks to R-rated movies than its usefulness in my opinion. [/quote]

Another of your pronouncements that I disagree with. People seem to have gotten the idea that lasers are some sort of magic aiming device that guarantees pinpoint accuracy, kind of like scopes and red dot sights, and they probably got that idea from those same R rated movies that feature a motionless laser dot on target, from a gun hundreds of yards away - it just ain't going to happen that way in real life. Even at relatively short distances in very steady hands that laser dot bobs and weaves like a boxer faced with an opponent with twelve hands on the end of each arm.

Actually I have a laser because my wife thought it might make a neat gift, and I can shoot better with them, but I still have to do my part, which includes timing the swing.



[quote="Flatland2D]I know it wasn't a huge point, but I had to call you on that.[/quote]

actually the one who seems to be gitting called on points is you.

[quote="Flatland2D]I don't think anyone took me seriously in the sense of a true AK-47, and I wasn't trying to fool anyone. If you can't agree to that much, than I don't think I have anything else to say here.[/quote]

You were the one that said it was an AK-47, and a serious question was asked in return. We don't know you, have no reason to suspect that you might not have one, have no reason to expect you to be using some term that you have declared generic, and maybe, just maybe, we would be interested in finding out where you got it so we could get one too. We're sorry to see you leave after such a short time here, with a little training you could make contributions.

[quote="Flatland2D]Now everyone please excuse me while I go xerox my CHL application before sending it in. Oops, silly me, I meant to say "photo copy"!!! [/quote]

Of course, if you're sure it's a photocopier, and not a xerographic copier or an electrostatic copier.

[jimlongley]

Please quote me when I said I had a fully automatic weapon.

You were the one that said you had an AK-47, which, by definition is capable of full automatic fire - haven't you been paying attention?

What's a WSAR1? I didn't know they make those. SAR-1's and WASR-10's they do make.

Just shows that there is a lot MORE that you do not know. Here's a link to a pic of a WSAR-1, which you should know something about being such an expert. http://agent_hierarchy.onfinite.com/album/76344/76350/?PHPSESSID=9bedb7804f0412aed5bb5b54870bcef5

[txinvestigator]

Your comparisons are invalid. A kleenex and tissue ARE the same thing. One is a particular brand, the other describes the object. You would not say Kleenex if you meant a paper towel. Similar, but different.

It's not an invalid comparison. It doesn't matter if one is a brand and the other is not, it's incorrect terminology none-the-less. You are adamently refusing to see my point.

Because you have no point. We are not discussing brands in reference to the AK.

An AK47 is a fully automatic weapon. You don't have one of those.

Please quote me when I said I had a fully automatic weapon.

OK

I take my handgun and AK-47 over to the window and shine my 1,000,000 candela spotlight out the window and see someone trying to break into or already inside of my car.

An AK 47 is a fully automatic (actually select fire) weapon.

I suspect you use terms like AK47 to impress, since you are so insistent that you know the difference. To those who know, it is simply borish. Using phrases like "paint him with a laser" make you sound like an armchair commando.

I can almost see up your nose you have stuck up so high. I all honesty, I use the term AK-47 because a heck of a lot more people can relate to that than a SAR-1. I've never lead anyone to believe I have the real deal. Sorry for not cleaning up my vocabulary before presenting to the knowledge of everyone here.

You pressed the issue. I tried to be polite, you would not allow it. Whatever your reason for using the wrong term, it causes doubt as to your credibility.

Regarding my comprisons of the car and boat, you didn't call me on anything. Both are vehicles, just as an AK and its semi-auto clones are rifles.

No, a fair comparison would be a Lamborghini to a Lamborghini kit car. One is the real deal and the other is just a clone of it. Boats and cars? I don't think so.

Calling a snake a lizard over and over does not make the snake a lizard.

But a car and boat are not the same, and an AK is not an WSAR1

What's a WSAR1? I didn't know they make those. SAR-1's and WASR-10's they do make.

Of course.

[Flatland2D]

That would be a poor guess on your part, and when did anyone point and laugh at you? You were gently corrected, but instead of accepting the correction you insisted that you and only you were right, leading to further attempts to convince you of the error of your ways. If anyone has made fun of you, it has been you.

Wow. I gave three examples, I could have given one hundred, they were not all inclusive. You fail to see my point. There are a plethora of words that have taken on new meanings by the way society has used them.

Another of your pronouncements that I disagree with. People seem to have gotten the idea that lasers are some sort of magic aiming device that guarantees pinpoint accuracy, kind of like scopes and red dot sights, and they probably got that idea from those same R rated movies that feature a motionless laser dot on target, from a gun hundreds of yards away - it just ain't going to happen that way in real life. Even at relatively short distances in very steady hands that laser dot bobs and weaves like a boxer faced with an opponent with twelve hands on the end of each arm.

You just proved my point. Your use of the word "people" is referencing the majority opinion. If "people" have gotten the idea that lasers are a magic aiming device, then most people would be intimidated by having one pointed at them. I never said I believe lasers are magical, guarantee pinpoint accuracy, or even a hit.

You were the one that said it was an AK-47, and a serious question was asked in return. We don't know you, have no reason to suspect that you might not have one, have no reason to expect you to be using some term that you have declared generic, and maybe, just maybe, we would be interested in finding out where you got it so we could get one too.

About three hours after Tx asked me the question, I politely answered it and clarified exactly what I meant. Why it had to be drug out to be such a big deal is beyond me.

Just shows that there is a lot MORE that you do not know. Here's a link to a pic of a WSAR-1, which you should know something about being such an expert.

Mr. Longley, as a matter of fact I do. Let me guess. You went to Google and typed "wsar1" and posted a link to the first result you got. However, anyone knowledeable of this type of firearm would readily recognize that stamped receiver lacking the characteristic dimples above the mag well, making the gun a WASR-10. The error was most likely a typo of the author, or ignorance of exactly what they owned. Furthermore, if you view the guy's album that posted the picture, he calls it an "AK" in another picture. So much for the credibility of your source, right?

Perhaps a little humility is in order?

I tried to be polite, you would not allow it.

And Tx, how was I not polite, or not allowing you to be polite? At the very least I will try to do better at that if you can give me an example.

[jimlongley]

Flat, your last sentence says it all. Your terse and holier than thou reply "which to most people in the gun world, would readily be accepted under the term AK-47 as all it's other variants" to Tx was at least impolite, if not downright rude, and as far as learning from examples - yeah, right!

[dpatterson]

Lesson of the Day: "Say what you Mean and Mean what you Say"

[Charles L. Cotton]

Let's move on to something else, like peace in the middle east.

Chas.

[jimlongley]

Let's move on to something else, like peace in the middle east.

Chas.

Ain't going to happen. I think we should just wall the place off and let them fight it out amongst themselves.

[isa268]

no i would not fire a warning shot.

[stevie_d_64]

no i would not fire a warning shot.

Now this is what I call getting back on track...

[anygunanywhere]

The only warning they get is the sight of the muzzle flash milliseconds before impact and penetration...multiple times if necessary...to stop the threat.

[ShootNMove]

Warning shots = wasted rounds in my opinion.

In the military, warning shots aren't authorized with small arms except the M2/M60 on our ship.

The base has a standard warning recording they play when boats get too close to the pier that is pretty close to this:

"You are entering a secure area, reverse your course immediately or we will fire on you. Again, reverse your course immediately or we will fire on you."

Then they repeat in Spanish. I'd like to have my own recording of something similar.

[KBCraig]

Our policy is to only fire warning shots on the prison grounds (never when we're in the community), and only if a warning shot can be made safely. We are justified to use deadly force force for escape, assault with imminent danger of death or grievous bodily harm, or destruction of government property that could facilitate escape or cause imminent death or grievous bodily harm. If the delay caused by a warning shot would increase the danger of escape or harm, we must skip the warning shot.

How would you like to be responsible for making a life-saving shot with a shotgun (No.4 buck) or 9mm Colt SMG, from 25-150 yards, through two chainlink fences and a lot of razor wire?

We call it the "Knock 'im out, John!" philosophy: "Just shoot in here amongst us, one of us has got to have some relief!"

Kevin