Police compromising your concealment
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Re: Police compromising your concealment
How anti-climactic but nevertheless a good result.
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Re: Police compromising your concealment
joe817 wrote:Wonderful report YabuUS! Thanks for sharing that with us. The LEO knew he said something he shouldn't have, and it seems in a round about way, apologized for that foo pa pa(I don't know the correct spelling, but I think it's french, lol).
I'm glad you had a private talk with him to set him straight. He sounds like a pretty good guy, all things said.
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Re: Police compromising your concealment
Yeah, it's properly "faux pas" but somehow "foo pa pa" just seems so much more appropriate....Shorts wrote:faux pasjoe817 wrote:The LEO knew he said something he shouldn't have, and it seems in a round about way, apologized for that foo pa pa(I don't know the correct spelling, but I think it's french, lol).![]()
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Anyway, could he have been explaining that a neighborhood watch might be like a security team and without the proper licenses weapons could not be carried?
Anyway, could he have been explaining that a neighborhood watch might be like a security team and without the proper licenses weapons could not be carried?
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And MUCH funnier.quidni wrote: Yeah, it's properly "faux pas" but somehow "foo pa pa" just seems so much more appropriate....
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I always thought it had something to do with passing gas. But I grew up out in the country and cows don't pay much attention to that.quidni wrote:Yeah, it's properly "faux pas" but somehow "foo pa pa" just seems so much more appropriate....Shorts wrote:faux pasjoe817 wrote:The LEO knew he said something he shouldn't have, and it seems in a round about way, apologized for that foo pa pa(I don't know the correct spelling, but I think it's french, lol).![]()
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Re: Police compromising your concealment
As friendly as this officer was after the meeting, I don't think he is that well informed about CHL holders. When he said CHL holders should leave their weapons at home while on these security patrols I think he was concerned that someone might try to play cop and take matters into their own hands instead of just reporting things to the police. I don't think he was implying any more than that.C-dub wrote:Faux pas
Anyway, could he have been explaining that a neighborhood watch might be like a security team and without the proper licenses weapons could not be carried?
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Does this not bring up the question of CHL holders acting as security guards and the problems that might present to them?YabuUS wrote:As friendly as this officer was after the meeting, I don't think he is that well informed about CHL holders. When he said CHL holders should leave their weapons at home while on these security patrols I think he was concerned that someone might try to play cop and take matters into their own hands instead of just reporting things to the police. I don't think he was implying any more than that.C-dub wrote:Faux pas
Anyway, could he have been explaining that a neighborhood watch might be like a security team and without the proper licenses weapons could not be carried?
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Re: Police compromising your concealment
You're a good person for following this thing through. I am glad it worked out amicably.
I agree with the above sentiment that if you're acting as "security" you can't be armed.
If, however, you're walking around your neighborhood with a flashlight, so you don't trip over stuff, at night, because that's when it's cooler outside and easier on the joints, then I would say, "Pack'em if ya Got'em."
big difference between a Neighborhood Watch and Brinks, or Yale Security...
I would advise this, though, that one should hit the phone before the gun, and leave the intervening to the folk that get paid to do it. (unless the sichy-ation goes "pear shaped" too fast)
I agree with the above sentiment that if you're acting as "security" you can't be armed.
If, however, you're walking around your neighborhood with a flashlight, so you don't trip over stuff, at night, because that's when it's cooler outside and easier on the joints, then I would say, "Pack'em if ya Got'em."
big difference between a Neighborhood Watch and Brinks, or Yale Security...
I would advise this, though, that one should hit the phone before the gun, and leave the intervening to the folk that get paid to do it. (unless the sichy-ation goes "pear shaped" too fast)
FWIW, IIRC, AFAIK, FTMP, IANAL. YMMV.
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I think the officer was correct. I cant quote the law at this moment, but i know that you cannot legally carry while actively acting as a "security" type team, ie: neighborhood watch on patrol.
Unless of course the organization and yourself are licensed and commissioned.
Unless of course the organization and yourself are licensed and commissioned.
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This thread discusses a CHL carrying a gun on a voluntary security or safety team (in the context of a church) at great length. It also cites the relevant statute(s).dihappy wrote:I think the officer was correct. I cant quote the law at this moment, but i know that you cannot legally carry while actively acting as a "security" type team, ie: neighborhood watch on patrol.
Unless of course the organization and yourself are licensed and commissioned.
http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... 35&start=0
The conclusion is, as far as I can understand it and IANAL, you cannot carry on such a volunteer team unless commissioned.
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I concur. I also believe a loaded weapon is much more safe in a holster that being handled in a room full of people.Abraham wrote:You state your case articulately.
I would politely ask him for his supervisor's name, contact him and state your case to him.
Your concerns are valid and inappropriate for the officer to "out" CHLers.
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I'd have been real tempted to stock up and be carrying at least 6-10 handguns, just to see the look on their faces if they wanted me to disarm.YabuUS wrote:So I've decided to attend - not carrying my weapon - and see what happens.
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I don't envy you at all...tough situation indeed. I would probably attend the meeting, keep quiet when he asks the dreaded question, and smile to myself as I sit armed in the back of the room. But I'm a bit of a rebel, so I'm probably not the right person to give sound advice.
Good luck, and don't out yourself!!!!
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