Disparity of force (Motorcycle Gang Incident in New York)

[jmra]

Law Abiding Citizens are now the criminals for "trying to run away from violence".

Where is that tree of liberty....

Can't stand your ground and you can't run away. What is one to do?

[cb1000rider]

Witness, I guess.

[philip964]

Law Abiding Citizens are now the criminals for "trying to run away from violence".

Where is that tree of liberty....

Can't stand your ground and you can't run away. What is one to do?

Be a victim. Isn't that what your suppose to do in New York.

[tommyg]

I'M a motorcycle rider. I hate it when creeps on bikes give the rest of a bad name.
My old Sportster XL1200S is a major source of my transportation it takes me
to work every day except in really bad weather.It also takes me on errands I don't
cause anyone trouble with my bike. I don't cause trouble with my gun
I hate being red flagged because of creeps with guns or creeps that ride motorcycles
I don't like the anti gunners picking on the honest gun owners. Or the motorcycle haters that
pick on everyone who rides.

[Cedar Park Dad]

OK, get back on topic of the incident.

The family of Mieses (the hospitalized criminal) announced today they hired celebrity Gloria Allred to harass the Asian family he and his gang attacked.

In related news, CBS reporter Tony Aiello revealed that Mieses didn't have a motorcycle license because it was suspended until 2017. You can probably guess why.

I wonder if they initiated the contact with Allred or if she contacted them or had someone do it on her behalf.

Witnessing Gloria Allred's illustrious history, what do you think?

Has Allred ever actually represented anyone in court, or just in front of a camera?

[BigBangSmallBucks]

At the 25-29 second time on the vidio is where the SUV runs over the first bike and rider. I think that's what t'd the bikers off.

I don't know what to think about this situation and I will try to reserve judgement because idk what I would do but imo the rr driver didn't have to run over the guy on the motorcycle (maybe he did?) which amplified the situation. I think the bikers were out of line for surrounding the rr in the beginning of the video but we don't know what happened before that, maybe the rr driver was tailgating the bikers or acting aggressively towards them and them surrounding them was payback.

[mojo84]

At the 25-29 second time on the vidio is where the SUV runs over the first bike and rider. I think that's what t'd the bikers off.

I don't know what to think about this situation and I will try to reserve judgement because idk what I would do but imo the rr driver didn't have to run over the guy on the motorcycle which amplified the situation. I think the bikers were out of line for surrounding the rr in the beginning of the video but we don't know what happened before that, maybe the rr driver was tailgating the bikers or acting aggressively towards them and them surrounding them was payback.

Really? You don't think the guy has the right to flee from an angry mob of thirty plus that has just forced him to stop and is surrounding his vehicle? If the motorcycle rider hadn't forced the guy to stop by getting in front of him and stopping, he wouldn't have been in a position to get ran over. Also, the SUV driver wouldn't have needed to flee. The guy brought it on himself.

[BigBangSmallBucks]

At the 25-29 second time on the vidio is where the SUV runs over the first bike and rider. I think that's what t'd the bikers off.

I don't know what to think about this situation and I will try to reserve judgement because idk what I would do but imo the rr driver didn't have to run over the guy on the motorcycle which amplified the situation. I think the bikers were out of line for surrounding the rr in the beginning of the video but we don't know what happened before that, maybe the rr driver was tailgating the bikers or acting aggressively towards them and them surrounding them was payback.

Really? You don't think the guy has the right to flee from an angry mob of thirty plus that has just forced him to stop and is surrounding his vehicle? If the motorcycle rider hadn't forced the guy to stop by getting in front of him and stopping, he wouldn't have been in a position to get ran over. Also, the SUV driver wouldn't have needed to flee. The guy brought it on himself.

I just went back and re-watched the video and my view has changed because of the the 1st guy on the mc that jumped in front of him and intentionally braked so the rr had to do what he had to do. And even tho I know this happened in NY I'm watching it through Texas eyes, if I was in that situation after being surrounded I probably would've pulled my pistol hoping to clear out the bikers and honestly if they started beating on my car I most likely would've shot. Idk if shooting would've been better or worst but I just hate to hear the guy is now paralyzed and from the media report I saw he was trying to be something of a peacemaker in the situation. In life you have to deal with consequences and the guy that got ran over choose to continue riding with the bikers after they started acting aggressively so I guess he's going to have to deal with that.

[philip964]

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/lo ... nal_record" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Run over biker has long criminal record. But that is no proof of criminal intent here, right?

[goose]

I am embarrassed to not know this. Are past criminal records allowed to be considered in civil cases or is all of that irrelevant like in criminal cases?

edit for bad spelling.

[Robert*PPS]

Peacemaker....yeah. Why would someone trying to diffuse the situation stop in front of the blocked vehicle? He got caught up in the mob mentality, thought it was cool to intimidate and harass, and he has now paid a heavy price for his stupid decisions. I don't have any sympathy for him.

[RottenApple]

I am embarrassed to not know this. Are past criminal records allowed to be considered in civil cases or is all of that irrelevant like in criminal cases?

edit for bad spelling.

I believe it depends on the state. Not 100% sure, but I think in Texas, yes. NY? Who knows.

[chasfm11]

I remember seeing a series of photos in the 70's houston either the houston post or houston chronicle of a trucker yjay was being intimidated by a idiot biker on I think a Harley pulled of on 610 and the idiot biker pulled in behind him, trucker got out and walked back to the Idiot and ripped his helmet or hat off and cold cocked him of the bike got back in truck and left .

not all Harley drivers are this stupid but to many old farts that have H>D's are .. They think people are intimidated because they are on a harley >> Marlon Brando id Dead-- and so are MC guys.

My wife, my granddaughter and I, through our own bad planning, ended up in Rapid City, SD the week before the Sturgis rally. Because of a pair of vehicle breakdowns, we got to stay there through the week of the rally. In case you have never seen it, the rally includes 10s, of 1,000s of H-Ds (and some others).

We spent nearly 2 weeks in exactly the same situation as the SUV driver - a single vehicle surrounded by 10s of MCs. Not once did I feel threatened or intimidated. Yes, to some, the attire of some [abbreviated profanity deleted] the H-D riders might seem intimidating but I got a chance to talk to many of them and they are wonderful people. We drove the Needles highway through Custer State Park and I was often asked to take pictures of groups of MC riders. I'm not saying the Sturgis rally is crime free or that bad things don't sometimes happen. What I am saying is that it isn't the same as this situation. I don't own a H-D, have never ridden one and do not plan to.

The difference? I was on the roads with the H-D riders. They obeyed the laws and didn't act like the punks on the video's crotch rockets. There was no blocking traffic, riding the burms, cutting and weaving in among traffic and never once did a group of them do anything to try to intimidate me. It was SD. I knew that most of them had guns and I had mine. It is was another case of an armed society being a polite society. Another important point: many of the H-Ds are ex-military and American flags were everywhere. They are a very patriotic group.
No way are the punks in the video the same as the Patriot Guard or Rolling Thunder.

On a personal level, I feel sorry for the MC guy who is paralyzed. But his actions and the actions of the group that he elected to ride with are responsible for his injury, not the SUV driver. When you try to impose anarchy on the public, you are responsible for anything that happens to you. I listened to the reports that said that the SUV driver didn't "need" to do what he did. I don't see that differently than someone telling me that I don't "need" a gun for self-protection. Self-protection is a basic human right.

[suthdj]

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[VMI77]

At the 25-29 second time on the vidio is where the SUV runs over the first bike and rider. I think that's what t'd the bikers off.

yea and the rider of the blue and white gsxr that was in the lane beside the RR was yelling at the RR and decided he was going to make the RR stop, he pulled in front of the RR and let off the throttle at a distance that the driver of the RR hit him, so now hmm looks like to be this group of riders was looking for trouble and then the rider that got bumped gets off and starts screaming with spit flying out of his mouth and hitting stuff, yep sure was the RR driver that did the deed and started the problem there.

I not only would have run the bike over like he did but there would have been a buttload of bikes squished all over the rear, sides and front of my vehicle

Not just looking...planning. Later reports said they were difficult to track down because they had stolen plates on their bikes.