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Rangemaster student involved shooting
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:52 pm
by Paladin
From the december newsletter:
http://www.rangemaster.com/
STUDENT INVOLVED SHOOTING
By Tom Givens
On October 3, 2007 we had the fourth student involved shooting for 2007. This incident involved an attempted armed car-jacking.
Student this time was a male in his early 20’s, went through training at Rangemaster in 2006.
We’ll use his initials, DP. DP was sitting in his car on an apartment complex lot waiting for his girlfriend. Time was about 9:30pm. Location in Raleigh, near Stage and Range Line.
As girlfriend approached the passenger side of his car, four males drove up and two exited their car. One grabbed girlfriend by the hair and punched her, the other produced a fully loaded .22 semi-auto handgun and threatened to shoot her. BG with gun then moved around front of car to driver’s door, where DP was seated. BG punched DP with his non-gun hand and demanded DP “give me everything�. DP dropped his car keys out the open car door, and as BG looked down at them, DP drew his handgun and shot BG 3 times in the upper center chest. BG dropped his gun, which bounced under DP’s car, and collapsed. The BG holding
the girlfriend ran off at this point.
The two suspects who had remained in their car got out and pulled the wounded BG into the car and sped off. They dropped him at Methodist North. They then stupidly drove back by the scene, where police were already investigating the shooting. DP pointed them out and they were apprehended, still covered in the wounded BG’s blood. They were arrested. A week later, the shot BG was still on a ventilator—I have not checked on him since.
Once again, a student had the confidence to wait for an opening and then use sudden, explosive violence to overcome a seemingly no-win situation.
He fired 3 shots and got 3 hits. Neither DP nor his girlfriend were injured except for bruises where they were punched. They were congratulated and well treated by the police at the scene.
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:01 pm
by WarHawk-AVG
Good guys 1, badguys 0
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:10 pm
by fm2
Once again, a student had the confidence to wait for an opening and then use sudden, explosive violence to overcome a seemingly no-win situation.
He fired 3 shots and got 3 hits.
Outstanding job!
It's not just having a gun, timing counts for much.
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:17 pm
by seamusTX
DP dropped his car keys out the open car door, and as BG looked down at them, DP drew his handgun and shot BG 3 times in the upper center chest.
This is what I learned today. (I try to learn something each day.)
I will file it alongside taking out my wallet and dropping it "nervously," with a flick of the thumb so that it goes behind the robber.
- Jim
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:24 pm
by DoubleJ
Molon_labe wrote:Good guys 1, badguys 0
I think it's 4, after yesterday...
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:25 pm
by DoubleJ
fm2 wrote:It's not just having a gun, timing counts for much.
you know what they say about comedy, it's all about
timing.
Molon_labe wrote:Good guys 1, badguys 0
I think it's 4, after yesterday...
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:27 pm
by Lykoi
Molon_labe wrote:Good guys 1, badguys 0
unfortunately good guy 1, bad guys uncountable...
but anything that's a plus for the good side is worth noting...
good job DP, and best wishes for everything turning out.
I don't konw...
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:49 pm
by m32
if I would've done the same. If one of the robbers had my gf captive with a gun, I'd comply. Who's to say that gunman might not shoot my gf. Thoughts?
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:30 pm
by rspeir
Who's to say he wouldn't have shot you both? Both choices involve risk and no guarantee you'll choose right.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:14 am
by m32
rspeir wrote:Who's to say he wouldn't have shot you both? Both choices involve risk and no guarantee you'll choose right.
exactly my point...which is why I'd rather take the risk of giving them what they want rather than shooting one of their friends in the hopes of the other three not having a gun. I think that's the less "riskier" of the two...but then again, you never know I suppose
Edwin
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:00 am
by NcongruNt
Works on cats and bad guys alike...
"Look! Jingly shiny keys!"
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:46 am
by KD5NRH
m32 wrote:exactly my point...which is why I'd rather take the risk of giving them what they want rather than shooting one of their friends in the hopes of the other three not having a gun. I think that's the less "riskier" of the two...but then again, you never know I suppose
If the other three are armed, wouldn't you rather be unholstered and firmly in condition red with one target already stopped when they start digging for their weapons?
Plus, two of the three were still inside a car at the time, putting them at the same disadvantage he had. Unless their doors were already open, it would have actually come out to a slight edge in his favor.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:02 pm
by fm2
KD5NRH wrote:
If the other three are armed, wouldn't you rather be unholstered and firmly in condition red with one target already stopped when they start digging for their weapons?
Plus, two of the three were still inside a car at the time, putting them at the same disadvantage he had. Unless their doors were already open, it would have actually come out to a slight edge in his favor.
The way I read it is that BG1 & BG2 had the initiative, ie. by running their ambush. DP did an excellent job feigning compliance and redirecting BG 1's attention with the keys. His tactics allowed him to regain some initiative and get his gun into play. When BG1 dropped his gun, DP had regained the initiative.
I'd bet DP had moved to a more defensable position and covered BG2 as he bugged out and then BG3 & BG4 in or near the car. BG3 & BG4 were satisfied to leave with BG1.
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:30 am
by Glock 23
so if this guy had chosen to start shooting at the car as it drove by him, would that be wrong?
i mean, you put 3 shots into one guy, and you know there are 3 more who aint on your side.....
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:39 am
by KD5NRH
Glock 23 wrote:so if this guy had chosen to start shooting at the car as it drove by him, would that be wrong?
i mean, you put 3 shots into one guy, and you know there are 3 more who aint on your side.....
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have let the others approach the downed one; he may have another weapon they're going for, or they may just be closing in to make their move.