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30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:28 pm
by ed7232004
The law says u can not carry firmarms into businese that posted a 30.06 sign.Also their sales income are more than 51% from acholoe. well here s the question. how would i know if their sales are more than 51% of acholoe? do they have a 30.06 sign posted out in their parking lot or building? or are they required to post one? thanks any info would be greatly thankful.cause i always go out and eat just want to make sure before i carry in...thank you
Re: 30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:48 pm
by Keith B
ed7232004 wrote:The law says u can not carry firmarms into business that posted a 30.06 sign.Also their sales income are more than 51% from acholoe. well here s the question. how would i know if their sales are more than 51% of acholoe? do they have a 30.06 sign posted out in their parking lot or building? or are they required to post one? thanks any info would be greatly thankful.cause i always go out and eat just want to make sure before i carry in...thank you
You should have been taught this in your CHL class, but an establishment that receives more than 51% of their revenue from alcohol sales is required to post a 51% sign that looks like this with a red 51% in the middle.
Now, the only caveat with Texas law is that even if there is not a sign posted, you are required to determine yourself if the place is 51% or not. You can tell this by looking at the liquor license and if it says Sign = Red, then it is a 51% establishment. If it says Sign = Blue, then it is NOT a 51% location and you can carry (as long as there is no 30.06 posted.)
The only plus side now is that the law has changed and if you should accidentally carry in a place that is 51%, they don't have a sign and you get arrested, you have a defense to prosecution that they had no sign posted.
Hope that answers your question.
Re: 30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:49 pm
by Aggie_engr
30.06 is not the correct sign pertaining to the 51% statute. Yes they are required to post a sign that has a big 51% right in the middle. If it is not posted, I've seen others post that they have just asked to see their liquor license to see whether it states red or blue. I can't remember just now which one prohibits carry but I'm sure someone will chime in.
Also, the law will change to make it a defense to prosecution that the restaurant/bar did not have the proper 51% sign posted and a license holder carries their handgun on the premises. Don't know when that is supposed to take effect or if it already has...
Re: 30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:51 pm
by Aggie_engr
Dang keith you beat me to it. Guess I just wasn't typing fast enough.
Re: 30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:04 pm
by ed7232004
Keith B wrote:ed7232004 wrote:The law says u can not carry firmarms into business that posted a 30.06 sign.Also their sales income are more than 51% from acholoe. well here s the question. how would i know if their sales are more than 51% of acholoe? do they have a 30.06 sign posted out in their parking lot or building? or are they required to post one? thanks any info would be greatly thankful.cause i always go out and eat just want to make sure before i carry in...thank you
You should have been taught this in your CHL class, but an establishment that receives more than 51% of their revenue from alcohol sales is required to post a 51% sign that looks like this with a red 51% in the middle.
Now, the only caveat with Texas law is that even if there is not a sign posted, you are required to determine yourself if the place is 51% or not. You can tell this by looking at the liquor license and if it says Sign = Red, then it is a 51% establishment. If it says Sign = Blue, then it is NOT a 51% location and you can carry (as long as there is no 30.06 posted.)
The only plus side now is that the law has changed and if you should accidentally carry in a place that is 51%, they don't have a sign and you get arrested, you have a defense to prosecution that they had no sign posted.
Hope that answers your question.
I m required to determine myself if the place is 51 more or not..huh. What about chili's ? Bufflo wild wings? By the color red .u mean the words are in red or the paper or the title? Thanks for your info
Re: 30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:11 pm
by Keith B
ed7232004 wrote:
I m required to determine myself if the place is 51 more or not..huh. What about chili's ? Buffalo wild wings? By the color red .u mean the words are in red or the paper or the title? Thanks for your info
If there is no 51% sign posted, yes. Chili's and Buffalo Wild Wings are not 51% locations as I am 100% sure they make more off of food than alcohol. Sports bars and true bars that sell very little food are the ones you need to be concerned with.
Sign = red or Sign = blue will actually be written on the places liquor license. If it says sign = red then they are supposed to post the 51% sign above. if is says sign = blue, then they post a different sign (see below) and you are allowed to carry there unless they have posted a 30.06.
Re: 30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:14 pm
by Aggie_engr
It's not hard to distinguish the two, but I think I remember the 51% being red, which is the largest part of the sign. Chili's and the like are fine, as long as you don't go sit at the bar and are seated at a regular table.
Re: 30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:15 pm
by C-dub
The 51% number will be red.
Chili's is not 51% and I have only seen the standard "Unlicensed Possession" signs at the several I've been in. I have not been to a buffalo wild wings place, but can't imagine them being a 51% place.
Re: 30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:15 pm
by Aggie_engr
Re: 30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:19 pm
by ed7232004
Aggie_engr wrote:It's not hard to distinguish the two, but I think I remember the 51% being red, which is the largest part of the sign. Chili's and the like are fine, as long as you don't go sit at the bar and are seated at a regular table.
As long as I don't sit at the bar? But I thought the law says u can drink while u carry but not intoxicated? Right? Am I confusing myself now..? And I always thought wild wings is a sports bar.. Silly..
Re: 30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:31 pm
by Aggie_engr
You are correct in that as long as you are not intoxicated you can have a drink or two while carrying. Chili's is definately not a 51% establishment, but I could wrong about not sitting at the actual bar inside, that's just what I have been doing. The last time I was at a wing restaurant it wasn't posted.
Re: 30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:36 pm
by Crossfire
It's true. That Keith is one quick dude on the keyboard!
Re: 30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:38 pm
by boomerang
Unless the bar area has a separate license, I don't see how it matters where you sit.
Re: 30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:39 pm
by Keith B
Aggie_engr wrote:You are correct in that as long as you are not intoxicated you can have a drink or two while carrying. Chili's is definately not a 51% establishment, but I could wrong about not sitting at the actual bar inside, that's just what I have been doing. The last time I was at a wing restaurant it wasn't posted.
You beat me this time.
Aggie_engr is correct. And Buffalo Wild Wings is also not a 51% establishment as they charge a wing an leg for
their wings.
You can sit at the bar and drink if it is not a 51% place. In a 51% place you can NOT carry anywhere; bar, kitchen, bathroom, nowhere.
Re: 30.06 and 51% acholoe
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:59 pm
by ed7232004
Thanks guys all these are very helpful!! I appreciated!!
