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Trip in ambulance
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:20 pm
by IROCKaGLOCK
Does anyone know what happens if CHL holder is unconscious. (Wreck, seizure, heart attack)
How does EMT handle finding your weapon?
Re: Trip in ambulance
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:33 pm
by bizarrenormality
It depends on the EMT and the organization. Some have the police secure it.
As a bit of friendly advice, there's a four line limit on signatures now.
Re: Trip in ambulance
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:42 pm
by Dragonfighter
In Dallas, the MICU's have a hard side gun case on board. If an unconscious or incapacitated person is seen and has a weapon on them, they secure it in the box with both medics witnessing and then turn it into the hospital's resident PD liaison or Campus PD in the emergency room. In my personal experience, I have done both, secured and transported the weapon and have had the police secure it if they were their. Again witnesses and documentation were the order of the day.
I had on rare occasions had a relative show up at the ER or scene and would advise the resident officer who would then attend the verification of ID's, etc. and then have me turn over the weapon directly...cleared.
Re: Trip in ambulance
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:04 pm
by IROCKaGLOCK
As a bit of friendly advice, there's a four line limit on signatures now.
"Also if you can not be trusted with a pistol after a few drinks you can't be trusted with a pistol period. Booze is liquid bad judgment no doubt but it shouldn't make you into a darn moron. If you are a moron sober I don't know what to tell you." - BurnedOutLEO
OBAMA IS NOT A PIZZA
Thx all fixed on my end :)
Re: Trip in ambulance
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:17 pm
by Shoot_First
bizarrenormality wrote:It depends on the EMT and the organization. Some have the police secure it.
As a bit of friendly advice, there's a four line limit on signatures now.
Bizarre... Where did you find the 4 line limit on signatures. All I find is a 300 character limit. Thanks, Dave
Re: Trip in ambulance
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:23 pm
by carlson1
It happened to me several years back with a heart attack. While in the ER it was discovered. They simply called the local Police and they disarmed me and followed my wife to our car and they secured it in our truck.
This Thanksgiving my wife and I were both in a terrible accident. Her firearm was in her purse which my son had taken (he is a LEO in the town where we had the accident). After they had me in the Ambulance they discovered I had two of them. They called the police and once again they showed up took possession of the firearms. After my son arrived at the hospital they simply just turned them over to him. This was a little different than the first time because of my son being LE in that area.
Re: Trip in ambulance
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:25 pm
by tiviti
Shoot_First wrote:
Bizarre... Where did you find the 4 line limit on signatures. All I find is a 300 character limit. Thanks, Dave
http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=58238" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Charles L. Cotton wrote:The mod that was added to convert photos to links in reply posts is working well and it makes quite a difference for people reading the Forum with an iPhone, Android or other mobile device. To further help people using these devices, we are going to set a 4 line limit on all signatures, effective October 1st. Some signatures take up 2 inches or more on my large screen, so they pose a real problem for mobile devices.
Please make sure your signature meets this requirement by October 1st.
Thanks,
Chas.
Re: Trip in ambulance
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:36 am
by Medic218
My agency doesn't have a set policy for dealing with concealed weapons found on patient's, legal or otherwise.
Through various conversation with co-workers on the subject I have come to the conclusion that the best thing to do is to try to remove the gun and the holster together if possible and then either hand it to an officer on scene or call for an officer if they can get there before we end up transporting.
I feel comfortable enough with most handguns and have enough hands on with various models and brands that I'm confident that I can safely clear the weapon if we end up having to transport it with the pt to the hospital before a cop can get there to take it off our hands.
Dragonfighter wrote:In Dallas, the MICU's have a hard side gun case on board.
We don't have these on our rigs but we do have a small cabinet that can be secured by lock and key.
We use it to secure our narcotics but its plenty big enough for any full size pistol and a a few extra mags if need be.
I think it all comes down to the individual.
If you get a medic that is familiar and comfortable with guns it won't be a big deal but if you get someone who is ignorant about or has no experience/knowledge of firearms then I can see how that might cause more problems...not for the pt. Just that the medic might overreact and make it a bigger deal than it has to be and what happens next could be anybody's guess.
Re: Trip in ambulance
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:29 am
by Shoot_First
tiviti wrote:Shoot_First wrote:
Bizarre... Where did you find the 4 line limit on signatures. All I find is a 300 character limit. Thanks, Dave
http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=58238" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Charles L. Cotton wrote:The mod that was added to convert photos to links in reply posts is working well and it makes quite a difference for people reading the Forum with an iPhone, Android or other mobile device. To further help people using these devices, we are going to set a 4 line limit on all signatures, effective October 1st. Some signatures take up 2 inches or more on my large screen, so they pose a real problem for mobile devices.
Please make sure your signature meets this requirement by October 1st.
Thanks,
Chas.
At this point, 60+ days after the new requirement was effective on October 1st, if you go to signature under profile, it only says there is a 300 character limit. Mine meets the new requirement anyway.
Re: Trip in ambulance
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:21 am
by carlson1
Shoot_First you have a PM.
Ok let us put this back on topic with an ambulance trip.
Re: Trip in ambulance
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:45 am
by firefighter184
I know our agency will just have the police come secure it, and leave it with the PD officer at the hospital