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I was wondering why texas does not allow open carry. Of all the states in the Union, I figure Texas would be the last to ban it! I know many states allow open OR concealed carry. I would never carry open as I feel it attracts unwanted attention and defeats the purpose I got a CHL in the first place. On a different note, it would be nice not to have to worry about printing or flashing. What are your opinions on this?

One of the main reasons that states do not opt for open carry is the deterence factor. If a state adopts open carry that makes it easy to pick out those who are carrying and those who are unarmed victims. It's kind of like the signs that they had in Jersey (I think) stating "This is a Gun Free Home" a few years back. Guess which houses got robbed and how fast those signs came down.

DSARGE wrote:I was wondering why texas does not allow open carry. Of all the states in the Union, I figure Texas would be the last to ban it! I know many states allow open OR concealed carry. I would never carry open as I feel it attracts unwanted attention and defeats the purpose I got a CHL in the first place. On a different note, it would be nice not to have to worry about printing or flashing. What are your opinions on this?

You don't have to worry about printing or flashing.

I'd just love to have the option. I open carry when I'm in AZ, and it doesn't draw the attention you'd assume it would. AZ, Scottsdale/Phoenix especially has a lot of the same "californian incoming" that we do here, and I have yet to have anyone freak out over it.

wjmphoto wrote:One of the main reasons that states do not opt for open carry is the deterence factor. If a state adopts open carry that makes it easy to pick out those who are carrying and those who are unarmed victims. It's kind of like the signs that they had in Jersey (I think) stating "This is a Gun Free Home" a few years back. Guess which houses got robbed and how fast those signs came down.

Please show us actual facts.

It is not the same as having a gun free zone sign.

What you are saying is tantamount to "blood in the streets". It does not happen. Proof, please, not rumors and inuendos.

We see enough of that from the antis and confiscators.

We need logical, proof driven discussions to support our cause. More states allow open carry than concealed carry (I believe), and before concealed carry caught on, it was the only way to carry in most states! You can open carry in Kalifornia!

Anygun

anygunanywhere wrote:

wjmphoto wrote:One of the main reasons that states do not opt for open carry is the deterence factor. If a state adopts open carry that makes it easy to pick out those who are carrying and those who are unarmed victims. It's kind of like the signs that they had in Jersey (I think) stating "This is a Gun Free Home" a few years back. Guess which houses got robbed and how fast those signs came down.

Please show us actual facts.

It is not the same as having a gun free zone sign.

What you are saying is tantamount to "blood in the streets". It does not happen. Proof, please, not rumors and inuendos.

We see enough of that from the antis and confiscators.

We need logical, proof driven discussions to support our cause. More states allow open carry than concealed carry (I believe), and before concealed carry caught on, it was the only way to carry in most states! You can open carry in Kalifornia!

Anygun

Apparently you have misread what I wrote or failed to understand it. Having a sign on your home that says this is a gun free home is an open invite to criminals. How does stating this pander to the anti-gun lobby? How does this equate to blood in the streets because people have the right to own a firearm and carry it?

Concealed carry is a deterent - the stats prove it. If you disagree, why are you on a forum that supports CHL? Creating gun free zones and hanging out signs that designate them does equate to blood in the streets - the blood of victims. And those people are victims of gun control, not the availablitly of guns!

Open carry simply lets criminals know who the victims are and are not! If you are a criminal are you going to try and rob the guy who is openly carrying a firearm or move on to the next guy who is not openly armed? Open carry does not equate to blood in the streets but it does equate to an open invitation to victimize those who do not choose to carry a weapon because they are readily discernable to the criminal. And yes, restricting a citizens right to carry does equate to blood in the street, the blood of unarmend victims who are disallowed by the government the right to defend themselves. That statement also does not in any way pander to the anti-gun lobby and is also proven by the events we have witnessed recently as well as the upsurge of crime in nations that do choose to take away their people's natural right of self-defense.

anygunanywhere wrote: We need logical, proof driven discussions to support our cause. More states allow open carry than concealed carry (I believe), and before concealed carry caught on, it was the only way to carry in most states! You can open carry in Kalifornia!

Anygun

You can in Texas too.

txinvestigator wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote: We need logical, proof driven discussions to support our cause. More states allow open carry than concealed carry (I believe), and before concealed carry caught on, it was the only way to carry in most states! You can open carry in Kalifornia!

Anygun

You can in Texas too. :roll:

Perhaps I mised the sarcasm in this response (forgive me if I did) but....

To the best of my knowledge, you can't open carry in Texas. Failure to conceal if you are a permit holder is a criminal offense. (True, you can open carry on your own property, but that is the only place I am aware of.) And if open carry is legal in Texas, why does this organization (http://www.txcdl.org/index.html?1158230811622) exist?

You can open carry a rifle or shotgun in Texas as we speak. Just not a handgun.

stroo wrote:You can open carry a rifle or shotgun in Texas as we speak. Just not a handgun.

DOH!

I knew that, my brain is locked in handgun mode right now.

Of course I don't think you would get a favorable response walking into a store or restaurant carrying a rifle or shotgun! ;-)

wjmphoto wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote: You can open carry in Kalifornia!

You can in Texas too.

Perhaps I mised the sarcasm in this response (forgive me if I did) but....

To the best of my knowledge, you can't open carry in Texas. Failure to conceal if you are a permit holder is a criminal offense. (True, you can open carry on your own property, but that is the only place I am aware of.)

Back to basics: PC chapter 46 makes it illegal to have a handgun on or about your person. No mention of open or concealed, loaded or not.

Then there are statutory exceptions to that prohibition, only one of which (having a CHL) requires the gun to be concealed. The other exceptions (traveling, engaged in a sporting activity, traveling to or from said sporting activity, on property you own or control...) simply exempt you from the entire prohibition, without imposing any requirement that the handgun be concealed.

Kevin

wjmphoto wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote: We need logical, proof driven discussions to support our cause. More states allow open carry than concealed carry (I believe), and before concealed carry caught on, it was the only way to carry in most states! You can open carry in Kalifornia!

Anygun

You can in Texas too.

Perhaps I mised the sarcasm in this response (forgive me if I did) but....

To the best of my knowledge, you can't open carry in Texas. Failure to conceal if you are a permit holder is a criminal offense. (True, you can open carry on your own property, but that is the only place I am aware of.) And if open carry is legal in Texas, why does this organization (http://www.txcdl.org/index.html?1158230811622) exist?

Open carry is as severely restricted in CA. That was my point.

However, in Texas, carry of handguns is generally prohibited. CHL people can carry, but must conceal. Other than the presumption of travelers, that is the only allowance to carry a handgun that is restricted to concealed carry.

Cops, Military, Carry on your own property or property under your control, Carry while hunting or fishing or engaged in a lawful sporting activity, travel in general, an employee of a holder of an alcoholic beverage permit or license if the person is supervising the operation of the permitted or licensed, can all carry any way they desire.

A armed security guard is required BY LAW to open carry.


Do you KNOW when open carry is allowed in CA?


EDIT: Sorry KB, I didn't read your response first.

txinvestigator wrote:

wjmphoto wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote: We need logical, proof driven discussions to support our cause. More states allow open carry than concealed carry (I believe), and before concealed carry caught on, it was the only way to carry in most states! You can open carry in Kalifornia!

Anygun

You can in Texas too. :roll:

Perhaps I mised the sarcasm in this response (forgive me if I did) but....

To the best of my knowledge, you can't open carry in Texas. Failure to conceal if you are a permit holder is a criminal offense. (True, you can open carry on your own property, but that is the only place I am aware of.) And if open carry is legal in Texas, why does this organization (http://www.txcdl.org/index.html?1158230811622) exist?

Open carry is as severely restricted in CA. That was my point.

However, in Texas, carry of handguns is generally prohibited. CHL people can carry, but must conceal. Other than the presumption of travelers, that is the only allowance to carry a handgun that is restricted to concealed carry.

Cops, Military, Carry on your own property or property under your control, Carry while hunting or fishing or engaged in a lawful sporting activity, travel in general, an employee of a holder of an alcoholic beverage permit or license if the person is supervising the operation of the permitted or licensed, can all carry any way they desire.

A armed security guard is required BY LAW to open carry.


Do you KNOW when open carry is allowed in CA?


EDIT: Sorry KB, I didn't read your response first.

County with a population of less than 200,000 at last census.

wjmphoto wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:

wjmphoto wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote: We need logical, proof driven discussions to support our cause. More states allow open carry than concealed carry (I believe), and before concealed carry caught on, it was the only way to carry in most states! You can open carry in Kalifornia!

Anygun

You can in Texas too.

Perhaps I mised the sarcasm in this response (forgive me if I did) but....

To the best of my knowledge, you can't open carry in Texas. Failure to conceal if you are a permit holder is a criminal offense. (True, you can open carry on your own property, but that is the only place I am aware of.) And if open carry is legal in Texas, why does this organization (http://www.txcdl.org/index.html?1158230811622) exist?

Open carry is as severely restricted in CA. That was my point.

However, in Texas, carry of handguns is generally prohibited. CHL people can carry, but must conceal. Other than the presumption of travelers, that is the only allowance to carry a handgun that is restricted to concealed carry.

Cops, Military, Carry on your own property or property under your control, Carry while hunting or fishing or engaged in a lawful sporting activity, travel in general, an employee of a holder of an alcoholic beverage permit or license if the person is supervising the operation of the permitted or licensed, can all carry any way they desire.

A armed security guard is required BY LAW to open carry.


Do you KNOW when open carry is allowed in CA?


EDIT: Sorry KB, I didn't read your response first.

County with a population of less than 200,000 at last census.

Well, let's look at that;

From California law;

ARTICLE 3. LICENSES TO CARRY PISTOLS AND REVOLVERS

12050. (a)(1)(A) The sheriff of a county, upon proof that the person applying is of good moral character, that good cause exists for the issuance, and that the person applying satisfies any one of the conditions specified in subparagraph (D) and has completed a course of training as described in subparagraph (E), may issue to that person a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in either one of the following formats:

(i) A license to carry concealed a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.

(ii) Where the population of the county is less than 200,000 persons according to the most recent federal decennial census, a license to carry loaded and exposed in that county a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.

So it is extremely restricted, and not "shall issue". You have to satisfy the
state that you meet their definition of "good cause" they MAY, at their discretion, issue a permit to carry exposed.

How many people do you think have such a permit in CA? I bet MORE people can open carry in Texas than in CA.

So how do you make a blanket statement that "CA has open carry" as an argument for Texas open carry"? You either didn't actually know the law, fair enough, or you intentionally used an irrelevant fact and were being disinginuous.

wjmphoto wrote:Open carry simply lets criminals know who the victims are and are not! If you are a criminal are you going to try and rob the guy who is openly carrying a firearm or move on to the next guy who is not openly armed? Open carry does not equate to blood in the streets but it does equate to an open invitation to victimize those who do not choose to carry a weapon because they are readily discernable to the criminal. And yes, restricting a citizens right to carry does equate to blood in the street, the blood of unarmend victims who are disallowed by the government the right to defend themselves. That statement also does not in any way pander to the anti-gun lobby and is also proven by the events we have witnessed recently as well as the upsurge of crime in nations that do choose to take away their people's natural right of self-defense.

I don't think anyone is saying replace concealed carry with open carry which is the only way that criminals would know without a doubt that if they can't see the firearm their victim isn't armed. If people were allowed to open carry a firearm criminals would know who's armed, and then they would know that anyone else could be armed. All in all more deterrence for criminals.

With open carry anyone could be armed, just some you would know some you wouldn't.