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Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:29 am
by CoffeeNut
This is something that wasn't covered in my CHL class and I haven't seen it on here. What I do know is that my CHL instructor was insistent on saying as little as possible to 911 in the event that we had to use our weapon. She stated that we should "state your name, that you have been the victim of a crime and require immediate assistance at such and such location - then hang up".
Hypothetically speaking I just popped a guy for trying to rob me at gunpoint. He's bleeding out on the sidewalk while I'm on with 911. Should I tell 911 that I need an ambulance? Should I tell 911 that there have been injuries and let them decide what to send out?
Basically is there any requirement to request an ambulance for the injured party? I'm not sure I'm comfortable kicking rocks while someone dies in front of me regardless of what they just tried to do (if I've been able to secure the scene anyway) however I also don't want my asking for an ambulance being seen as some sort of guilt for having to do what was necessary to save my life.
Re: Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:34 am
by Keith B
CoffeeNut wrote:This is something that wasn't covered in my CHL class and I haven't seen it on here. What I do know is that my CHL instructor was insistent on saying as little as possible to 911 in the event that we had to use our weapon. She stated that we should "state your name, that you have been the victim of a crime and require immediate assistance at such and such location - then hang up".
Hypothetically speaking I just popped a guy for trying to rob me at gunpoint. He's bleeding out on the sidewalk while I'm on with 911. Should I tell 911 that I need an ambulance? Should I tell 911 that there have been injuries and let them decide what to send out?
Basically is there any requirement to request an ambulance for the injured party? I'm not sure I'm comfortable kicking rocks while someone dies in front of me regardless of what they just tried to do (if I've been able to secure the scene anyway) however I also don't want my asking for an ambulance being seen as some sort of guilt for having to do what was necessary to save my life.
The advice is to tell 911 'My name is XXXX. I am at XXXXX location. I just had to shoot a man (woman) that tried to rob me at gunpoint. Please send police and an ambulance.' That is all you need to say. Have your gun put away when they arrive. If the scene is not safe, move from there, but tell the police where you are and when they arrive they can go back to the other scene.
Re: Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:37 am
by CoffeeNut
Keith B wrote: The advice is to tell 911 'My name is XXXX. I am at XXXXX location. I just had to shoot a man (woman) that tried to rob me at gunpoint. Please send police and an ambulance.' That is all you need to say. Have your gun put away when they arrive. If the scene is not safe, move from there, but tell the police where you are and when they arrive they can go back to the other scene.
Thanks Keith! I figured it was as simple as that but it hadn't crossed my mind until the other day and since then I couldn't really come up with an answer.
Re: Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:45 am
by Keith B
And the reason you request an ambulance is it shows you are concerned for the person you have shot. You just had to shoot them to stop them, and have no animosity toward them. (Whether you really do or don't is irrelevant.
Re: Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:00 am
by WildBill
Keith B wrote:CoffeeNut wrote:This is something that wasn't covered in my CHL class and I haven't seen it on here. What I do know is that my CHL instructor was insistent on saying as little as possible to 911 in the event that we had to use our weapon. She stated that we should "state your name, that you have been the victim of a crime and require immediate assistance at such and such location - then hang up".
Hypothetically speaking I just popped a guy for trying to rob me at gunpoint. He's bleeding out on the sidewalk while I'm on with 911. Should I tell 911 that I need an ambulance? Should I tell 911 that there have been injuries and let them decide what to send out?
Basically is there any requirement to request an ambulance for the injured party? I'm not sure I'm comfortable kicking rocks while someone dies in front of me regardless of what they just tried to do (if I've been able to secure the scene anyway) however I also don't want my asking for an ambulance being seen as some sort of guilt for having to do what was necessary to save my life.
The advice is to tell 911 'My name is XXXX. I am at XXXXX location. I just had to shoot a man (woman) that tried to rob me at gunpoint. Please send police and an ambulance.' That is all you need to say. Have your gun put away when they arrive. If the scene is not safe, move from there, but tell the police where you are and when they arrive they can go back to the other scene.
This was covered in my CHL class. The [small] difference was the instructor said to request ambulance first, and then the police. He also said to request an ambulance, even if you think the person is dead. Since you are not a doctor you can not declare a person dead. Also you may have noticed that KeithB said
"man", not boy, child, scumbag, etc.
Re: Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:03 am
by Abraham
Who pays for the ambulance?
Re: Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:09 am
by WildBill
Abraham wrote:Who pays for the ambulance?
Good question.
I am not certain, but I would think it would be the person who needed the medical attention, rather than the caller.
Since they were incapacitated, you would be watching out for their welfare.
Re: Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:12 am
by texanjoker
CoffeeNut wrote:Keith B wrote: The advice is to tell 911 'My name is XXXX. I am at XXXXX location. I just had to shoot a man (woman) that tried to rob me at gunpoint. Please send police and an ambulance.' That is all you need to say. Have your gun put away when they arrive. If the scene is not safe, move from there, but tell the police where you are and when they arrive they can go back to the other scene.
Thanks Keith! I figured it was as simple as that but it hadn't crossed my mind until the other day and since then I couldn't really come up with an answer.
Have your gun put away
and be prepared to be taken into custody at gun point. You will be disarmed and they will then sort it out after the scene is safe. This will take a while.
Re: Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:18 am
by WildBill
texanjoker wrote:CoffeeNut wrote:Keith B wrote: The advice is to tell 911 'My name is XXXX. I am at XXXXX location. I just had to shoot a man (woman) that tried to rob me at gunpoint. Please send police and an ambulance.' That is all you need to say. Have your gun put away when they arrive. If the scene is not safe, move from there, but tell the police where you are and when they arrive they can go back to the other scene.
Thanks Keith! I figured it was as simple as that but it hadn't crossed my mind until the other day and since then I couldn't really come up with an answer.
Have your gun put away
and be prepared to be taken into custody at gun point. You will be disarmed and they will then sort it out after the scene is safe. This will take a while.
Even though you know you are the Good Guy, the officers responding to the 911 call don't.
Re: Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:19 am
by CoffeeNut
WildBill wrote:
This was covered in my CHL class. The [small] difference was the instructor said to request ambulance first, and then the police. He also said to request an ambulance, even if you think the person is dead. Since you are not a doctor you can not declare a person dead. Also you may have noticed that KeithB said
"man", not boy, child, scumbag, etc.
I didn't get any ambulance instruction in my class which is why I found myself wondering about it after seeing that video on here the other day where the Sergeant hit the guy (fatally) but was still able to move for a bit.
Re: Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:21 am
by CoffeeNut
texanjoker wrote:CoffeeNut wrote:Keith B wrote: The advice is to tell 911 'My name is XXXX. I am at XXXXX location. I just had to shoot a man (woman) that tried to rob me at gunpoint. Please send police and an ambulance.' That is all you need to say. Have your gun put away when they arrive. If the scene is not safe, move from there, but tell the police where you are and when they arrive they can go back to the other scene.
Thanks Keith! I figured it was as simple as that but it hadn't crossed my mind until the other day and since then I couldn't really come up with an answer.
Have your gun put away
and be prepared to be taken into custody at gun point. You will be disarmed and they will then sort it out after the scene is safe. This will take a while.
Definitely understand that aspect since officer safety is paramount especially when responding to a shots fired type of call. Frankly I'd just be happy to be alive so I wouldn't mind a little wait
Re: Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:51 pm
by WildBill
CoffeeNut wrote:texanjoker wrote:CoffeeNut wrote:Keith B wrote: The advice is to tell 911 'My name is XXXX. I am at XXXXX location. I just had to shoot a man (woman) that tried to rob me at gunpoint. Please send police and an ambulance.' That is all you need to say. Have your gun put away when they arrive. If the scene is not safe, move from there, but tell the police where you are and when they arrive they can go back to the other scene.
Thanks Keith! I figured it was as simple as that but it hadn't crossed my mind until the other day and since then I couldn't really come up with an answer.
Have your gun put away
and be prepared to be taken into custody at gun point. You will be disarmed and they will then sort it out after the scene is safe. This will take a while.
Definitely understand that aspect since officer safety is paramount especially when responding to a shots fired type of call. Frankly I'd just be happy to be alive so I wouldn't mind a little wait
IMO, this is as much for your safety as it is and for the officer.
Re: Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:56 pm
by CoffeeNut
WildBill wrote:CoffeeNut wrote:texanjoker wrote:CoffeeNut wrote:Keith B wrote: The advice is to tell 911 'My name is XXXX. I am at XXXXX location. I just had to shoot a man (woman) that tried to rob me at gunpoint. Please send police and an ambulance.' That is all you need to say. Have your gun put away when they arrive. If the scene is not safe, move from there, but tell the police where you are and when they arrive they can go back to the other scene.
Thanks Keith! I figured it was as simple as that but it hadn't crossed my mind until the other day and since then I couldn't really come up with an answer.
Have your gun put away
and be prepared to be taken into custody at gun point. You will be disarmed and they will then sort it out after the scene is safe. This will take a while.
Definitely understand that aspect since officer safety is paramount especially when responding to a shots fired type of call. Frankly I'd just be happy to be alive so I wouldn't mind a little wait
IMO, this is as much for your safety as it is and for the officer.
I meant the guns being pointed at me bit. That's not for my safety but I do understand it.
Re: Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:11 pm
by WildBill
CoffeeNut wrote:WildBill wrote:CoffeeNut wrote:texanjoker wrote:CoffeeNut wrote:Keith B wrote: The advice is to tell 911 'My name is XXXX. I am at XXXXX location. I just had to shoot a man (woman) that tried to rob me at gunpoint. Please send police and an ambulance.' That is all you need to say. Have your gun put away when they arrive. If the scene is not safe, move from there, but tell the police where you are and when they arrive they can go back to the other scene.
Thanks Keith! I figured it was as simple as that but it hadn't crossed my mind until the other day and since then I couldn't really come up with an answer.
Have your gun put away
and be prepared to be taken into custody at gun point. You will be disarmed and they will then sort it out after the scene is safe. This will take a while.
Definitely understand that aspect since officer safety is paramount especially when responding to a shots fired type of call. Frankly I'd just be happy to be alive so I wouldn't mind a little wait
IMO, this is as much for your safety as it is and for the officer.
I meant the guns being pointed at me bit. That's not for my safety but I do understand it.
I was primarily speaking about being "prepared to be taken into custody at gun point." This is not the time become indignant and ask why you are being disarmed and argue about your constitutional right to carry.
Re: Requesting an ambulance?
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:24 pm
by MoJo
Charles Cotton told us in one of his deadly force seminars to
always request the ambulance first even if it's obvious the person is dead. 911 records all calls.
Some of the other things you need to do beside putting your gun away is make a mental note of any witnesses and to keep your mouth shut until you have your attorney present. Asking for legal advise is not an admission of guilt.
