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I don't know if this is discussed anywhere on this site but I need input. I am currently a clinical manager at a large clinical facility that has a 30.06 sign. In this facility, there is a busy urgent care facility (almost like an ER) that services patients that at times can become pretty ticked off, shouting obscenities sometimes threatening. The problem is that there isn't any security in the building just "stat" alarms when we need assistance. When tripped, it takes security almost 10 minutes to arrive. If someone really had a vendetta against a clinic, I am sure they would come after management and with that kind of delay, we would be taken out in less of that time it takes them to respond. I have been a CHL holder for quite a while and know the laws and regulations about the 30.06 in buildings. But I find it tempting to want to protect myself if the imaginable happens. What would you all do in this situation? I am new to this site but have noticed that you all are a wealth of information. Thanks

Welcome to the forum. Assuming you don't have the authority to remove the 30.06 sign there's not much you can do legally. Carrying past the sign would be illegal. Suggesting or promoting an illegal activity is against forum rules.
Looks like you are limited to non-lethal methods of self defense.

I don't think we should advocate breaking the law and it's against forum rules to do so. Therefore you need to consider your options.

1. Get another job.

2. Work to convince management they are making people more vulnerable and they should remove the sign and allow employees to carry.

3. Convince them to improve security in your area.

4. A combination of the above.

I'm sure there are other reasonable legal options available. If you do decide to ignore the sign, be prepared to deal with the potential consequences.

Welcome to the forum.

And identifying the location so that it can be added to the 30.06 locations would probably be a good idea.

Renego73 wrote:I don't know if this is discussed anywhere on this site but I need input. I am currently a clinical manager at a large clinical facility that has a 30.06 sign. In this facility, there is a busy urgent care facility (almost like an ER) that services patients that at times can become pretty ticked off, shouting obscenities sometimes threatening. The problem is that there isn't any security in the building just "stat" alarms when we need assistance. When tripped, it takes security almost 10 minutes to arrive. If someone really had a vendetta against a clinic, I am sure they would come after management and with that kind of delay, we would be taken out in less of that time it takes them to respond. I have been a CHL holder for quite a while and know the laws and regulations about the 30.06 in buildings. But I find it tempting to want to protect myself if the imaginable happens. What would you all do in this situation? I am new to this site but have noticed that you all are a wealth of information. Thanks

I would find another method of protection and become more proficient at hand to hand and disarmament techniques if I wanted to keep that job. Otherwise, I would look for employment elsewhere. Unfortunately, employers are normally reactionary to events and will only provide increased security after something bad has already happened. Very few, if any, are proactive to prevent something bad from happening in the first place.

Thank you all for your input. If a 30.06 is posted at the entrance of the building, is it considered illegal to keep my weapon in my vehicle?

Renego73 wrote:Thank you all for your input. If a 30.06 is posted at the entrance of the building, is it considered illegal to keep my weapon in my vehicle?

Not at all. The parking lot law passed in 2011 even prevents most employers from having any policy preventing employees from keeping their legally possessed firearms in their vehicles in the company parking lot under most circumstances. Since you don't work at a school or an oil refinery, you should be fine.

If they are unwilling to remove the sign completely, they still have the power to give certain people permission to carry past a 30.06 sign.

Also, not to quibble, is the sign fully compliant with the law?
are the letters 'BLOCK"
Are they 1 inch
Is the word for word to the letter of the law
English and Spanish

If it does not meet the criteria, it does not meet the law and thus invalid

If you find it is indeed invalid, then DONT TELL anyone or they may make if valid!

Teamless wrote:Also, not to quibble, is the sign fully compliant with the law?
are the letters 'BLOCK"
Are they 1 inch
Is the word for word to the letter of the law
English and Spanish

If it does not meet the criteria, it does not meet the law and thus invalid

If you find it is indeed invalid, then DONT TELL anyone or they may make if valid!

Keep in mind there are two issues, legal and employment. Even if the sign is not technically compliant, the OP can still be fired if found out.

mojo84 wrote:

Teamless wrote:Also, not to quibble, is the sign fully compliant with the law?
are the letters 'BLOCK"
Are they 1 inch
Is the word for word to the letter of the law
English and Spanish

If it does not meet the criteria, it does not meet the law and thus invalid

If you find it is indeed invalid, then DONT TELL anyone or they may make if valid!

Keep in mind there are two issues, legal and employment. Even if the sign is not technically compliant, the OP can still be fired if found out.

Good point but I had been wondering if in this large clinic, does the OP work for a clinic IN the building and the clinic is simply a tenant there, or is the entire building leased by the clinic, or does the clinic own the building? And the partner line of questioning is whether or not the OP or any employee has been given notice that they also cannot carry as an employee and if so what that form of notice was?

Note that I'm not suggesting ignoring a proper 30.06 notification, just pondering the what if in the event the building is not actually properly posted.

To the OP, common sense is often your best protection.

mojo84 wrote: the OP can still be fired if found out.

Yes, that is true, but as we are taught, "concealed is concealed"

Teamless wrote:

mojo84 wrote: the OP can still be fired if found out.

Yes, that is true, but as we are taught, "concealed is concealed"

Accidents happen. I was just pointing out his job could be at stake if a mistake was made and someone found out. Is that not reasonable?

I once knew a guy in a similar situation that carried a Kel Tec Sub 2000 in a briefcase.