where would a rifle be prohibited?

[NotRPB]

Continued from another section where a carbine was for sale

Originating ISSUE:
(Concealed) Rifles are not prohibited by a Valid 30.06 (or 30.07) sign which applies ONLY to HANDGUNS ...and...
ONLY to HANDGUNS carried by a LICENSEE

So, Doctor's office with a 30.06/30.07 sign, it should be perfectly legal (may or may not be practical) if no other sign or law prohibits, to carry a concealed carbine.

where would a rifle be prohibited?

No license needed, concealed or not (I'd conceal it)

Anywhere "Firearms" are prohibited
A few examples

Schoolgrounds K-12 School parking lots; (because, IIRC, no exception under Federal GunFreeSchoolZone Act for Rifles, only for handguns carried under the State issued Handgun License)

Post Office/Any Federal Property where people work
Courthouses

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PE.46.htm
Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED
Sec. 46.10. DEADLY WEAPON IN PENAL INSTITUTION.
Again:
I'm no Lawyer, but all firearms are weapons, all handguns are weapons, all handguns does not equal all firearms; a crossbow is a weapon, but not a firearm, nor is a crossbow a handgun;
A rifle is not a handgun, a handgun is not a rifle; both are weapons, as is that crossbow.
Generally, words have meanings

If one cannot legally carry a weapon to a school grounds, but there's an exception for handguns carried by a licensee (license issued by the State in which the school property is located) on school property OUTSIDE the BUILDING, that does not mean one can carry a crossbow or rifle there.

Now, if the doctor's office/clinic is on school property/Federal Property ... no, it's probably illegal to carry on any Federal property where employees are working and on school property or in a bar ... ... or other "WEAPONS" or "FIREARMS" prohibited place
Lawyers on the forum; feel free to correct me if I'm incorrect.

[VMI77]

The specific question from another thread being: can you legally carry and possess a concealed carbine like the Sub2000 into a location posted with a 30.06 sign? Can I legally carry such a gun concealed in say, a computer bag, into a location posted with a 30.06 sign?

[NotRPB]

I'm not a lawyer, but you have to make an AK or AR or a hunting rifle or a Carbine into a handgun for 30.06 to apply (I'm not addressing Firearms in general or other parts of Penal code, just the question asked)

If I remember correctly, you cannot make a rifle into a handgun. A rifle is always a rifle. You can make a pistol into a rifle (like an SBR) but once it's a rifle, it's always a rifle...as I recall. I might be wrong in this.

And in case you say, "what if I chop the stock off and shorten the barrel?", well, that's an SBR, but still an "R", or maybe an "AOW". Welcome to Form 1s and the NFA at that point.

[NotRPB]

Good price for a briefcase sized carbine for those clinics/doctors offices that post 30.06 where I have to leave my Glock "handguns" in the car
It's easier to carry a briefcase than my guitar case/tennis racket case with the aK47 folder in clinics/doctors offices posted 30.06 where I have to leave my Glock "handguns" in the car
You posted days after I got lucky & found one online, I paid more ...mine arrives Friday at my FFL, I'm always a day late ...

suitcaseguncase.jpg

Sub2000.jpg

folded_sub2000_7816-2web.jpg

Glock 26 ... I'm in Central TX, I plan to be in Houston (Pasadena) around Xmas it that's still around then ...we'll see :) I carry twin 26s now

Easily fits in a computer bag and the top of a tackle box too.

But is it really legal to carry this past a 30.06 sign?

But is it really legal to carry this past a 30.06 sign?
Simple Logical Answer ... What does a 30.06 sign forbid?
Forbids a CHL (Handgun Licensee, licensed under chapter 411 ...) from carrying his HANDGUN past that sign
A) this is not a handgun,
B) There is NO license required at all to carry a LONGARM/Rifle anyway,
C) 30.06 does not apply to longarms
D) 30.06 does not apply to any guns carried NOT under license of chapter 411...
E) Chapter 411 does not apply to longarms, only handguns
HOWEVER YOU CANNOT CARRY ANY FIREARM where FIREARMS ARE PROHIBITED

But where Licensed Handgun carriers are prohibited by a 30.06 sign, unless otherwise prohibited, (see above RE: Firearms) a 30.06 sign never applied to longarms

AK47 RIFLE / LONGARM in a guitar case (Or open carried if dumb enough to open carry it past a 30.06 sign>>> asking for trouble ) is not a handgun being carried under my Concealed handgun license/license to (open) carry a handgun...

I'm not a lawyer, but you have to make an AK or AR or a hunting rifle or a Carbine into a handgun for 30.06 to apply (I'm not addressing Firearms in general or other parts of Penal code, just the question asked)

sub2000 is easier briefcase than an AK in a guitar case ... just a matter of convenience if I have to leave the Glocks in the car for car thieves, I don't want to get back to the car with my Glocks in their hands and nothing in mine..

Many 30.06 signs look similar to this. I believe this sign would preclude carry of the Sub2000 wherever is posted.

http://images.mysecuritysign.com/img/md ... 2-0254.png

That's a typical 30.06 sign
I disagree

Sign says
" concealed handgun licensee licensed under Chapter 411 (which does not address rifles) may not carry a concealed handgun..."
a rifle long gun is not a handgun
As I stated there's no license required to carry a rifle

30.06 doesn't address rifles
Chapter 411 doesn't address rifles

The 30.06 sign is not addressed to rifle carriers, whether licensed to carry umbrellas/handguns/drive cars/ or not

You may not carry a concealed rifle anywhere FIREARMS are prohibited by law
There is NO LAW regarding concealed longarms/concealed rifle licenses... there are laws regarding Places FIREARMS are prohibited
a Rifle is a FIREARM
A rifle is not a handgun

(... just showing why a sub2000 RIFLE in a briefcase/laptop case is useful to have at 30.06 posted doctor's office where you must leave HANDGUNS outside )

Many 30.06 signs look similar to this. I believe this sign would preclude carry of the Sub2000 wherever is posted.

http://images.mysecuritysign.com/img/md ... 2-0254.png

That's a typical 30.06 sign
I disagree

You may not carry a concealed rifle anywhere FIREARMS are prohibited by law
There is NO LAW regarding concealed longarms/concealed rifle licenses... there are laws regarding Places FIREARMS are prohibited
a Rifle is a FIREARM
A rifle is not a handgun

(My sincere apologies to OP for the thread hijack, just showing why a sub2000 RIFLE in a briefcase/laptop case is useful to have at 30.06 posted doctor's office where you must leave HANDGUNS outside )

So, where would a rifle be prohibited? I'm not asking just for the fun of it, I have go to a place where 30.06 signs are posted and I would like to carry the sub2000 in a computer bag. My concern is this: I'm sure I'd be stopped if I entered the place I have in mind with a visible rifle, so while there may not be a law prohibiting concealed long arms, I wonder if there may be an issue of concealing one in order to enter. I guess part of my concern is that it just seems too easy...and hence, too good to be true.

My short answer, you can't carry a rifle anywhere a rifle or weapons or firearms are prohibited... there's no "license to carry a rifle" in Texas.

In the 1970s I carried a loaded double barrel down Main Street in Houston daily, broke-open not in a threatening manner, a Cop once asked if it was legal length, I offered to give him a tape measure, he just laughed and drove away.

Personally, I don't intend to open carry anything, except a revolver with snakeshot in it out in the middle of a lake maybe.

Next on shopping list ... Concealed Crossbow (not a "firearm," but still prohibited where "Weapons" are prohibited)

Apologies if anything I coped from other thread was duplicative.

Lawyers, Legislators and other smart people, please feel free to weigh in here :)

[ScottDLS]

You can carry a long gun concealed or otherwise anywhere where it is not prohibited by federal or state law. TXPC 46.02 only refers to "a handgun, illegal knife, or club...". 46.03 refers to "firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon...

Other than in the 46.03 locations there is no state prohibition on carrying a rifle or non-handgun "firearm" anywhere you like. 30.06 and 30.07 only apply to carrying a handgun under the authority of your LTC.

Criminal trespass TXPC 30.05 could potentially apply, but you must RECEIVE NOTICE that your presence is not allowed and then remain, in order to violate it. 30.06/7 language is not defined as NOTICE in 30.05.

It is therefore legal to carry a SBR, SBS, machinegun, etc. concealed or otherwise , as long as you aren't violating any other law by doing it (NFA, GFSZA, ...)

[Beiruty]

You can carry a long gun concealed or otherwise anywhere where it is not prohibited by federal or state law. TXPC 46.02 only refers to "a handgun, illegal knife, or club...". 46.03 refers to "firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon...

Other than in the 46.03 locations there is no state prohibition on carrying a rifle or non-handgun "firearm" anywhere you like. 30.06 and 30.07 only apply to carrying a handgun under the authority of your LTC.

Criminal trespass TXPC 30.05 could potentially apply, but you must RECEIVE NOTICE that your presence is not allowed and then remain, in order to violate it. 30.06/7 language is not defined as NOTICE in 30.05.

It is therefore legal to carry a SBR, SBS, machinegun, etc. concealed or otherwise , as long as you aren't violating any other law by doing it (NFA, GFSZA, ...)

You may be still charged with disorderly conduct even simple carrying is not disorderly.

[gljjt]

Good price for a briefcase sized carbine for those clinics/doctors offices that post 30.06 where I have to leave my Glock "handguns" in the car
It's easier to carry a briefcase than my guitar case/tennis racket case with the aK47 folder in clinics/doctors offices posted 30.06 where I have to leave my Glock "handguns" in the car
You posted days after I got lucky & found one online, I paid more ...mine arrives Friday at my FFL, I'm always a day late ...

suitcaseguncase.jpg

Sub2000.jpg

folded_sub2000_7816-2web.jpg

Glock 26 ... I'm in Central TX, I plan to be in Houston (Pasadena) around Xmas it that's still around then ...we'll see :) I carry twin 26s now

Easily fits in a computer bag and the top of a tackle box too.

But is it really legal to carry this past a 30.06 sign?

But is it really legal to carry this past a 30.06 sign?
Simple Logical Answer ... What does a 30.06 sign forbid?
Forbids a CHL (Handgun Licensee, licensed under chapter 411 ...) from carrying his HANDGUN past that sign
A) this is not a handgun,
B) There is NO license required at all to carry a LONGARM/Rifle anyway,
C) 30.06 does not apply to longarms
D) 30.06 does not apply to any guns carried NOT under license of chapter 411...
E) Chapter 411 does not apply to longarms, only handguns
HOWEVER YOU CANNOT CARRY ANY FIREARM where FIREARMS ARE PROHIBITED

But where Licensed Handgun carriers are prohibited by a 30.06 sign, unless otherwise prohibited, (see above RE: Firearms) a 30.06 sign never applied to longarms

AK47 RIFLE / LONGARM in a guitar case (Or open carried if dumb enough to open carry it past a 30.06 sign>>> asking for trouble ) is not a handgun being carried under my Concealed handgun license/license to (open) carry a handgun...

I'm not a lawyer, but you have to make an AK or AR or a hunting rifle or a Carbine into a handgun for 30.06 to apply (I'm not addressing Firearms in general or other parts of Penal code, just the question asked)

sub2000 is easier briefcase than an AK in a guitar case ... just a matter of convenience if I have to leave the Glocks in the car for car thieves, I don't want to get back to the car with my Glocks in their hands and nothing in mine..

Many 30.06 signs look similar to this. I believe this sign would preclude carry of the Sub2000 wherever is posted.

http://images.mysecuritysign.com/img/md ... 2-0254.png

That's a typical 30.06 sign
I disagree

Sign says
" concealed handgun licensee licensed under Chapter 411 (which does not address rifles) may not carry a concealed handgun..."
a rifle long gun is not a handgun
As I stated there's no license required to carry a rifle

30.06 doesn't address rifles
Chapter 411 doesn't address rifles

The 30.06 sign is not addressed to rifle carriers, whether licensed to carry umbrellas/handguns/drive cars/ or not

You may not carry a concealed rifle anywhere FIREARMS are prohibited by law
There is NO LAW regarding concealed longarms/concealed rifle licenses... there are laws regarding Places FIREARMS are prohibited
a Rifle is a FIREARM
A rifle is not a handgun

(... just showing why a sub2000 RIFLE in a briefcase/laptop case is useful to have at 30.06 posted doctor's office where you must leave HANDGUNS outside )

Many 30.06 signs look similar to this. I believe this sign would preclude carry of the Sub2000 wherever is posted.

http://images.mysecuritysign.com/img/md ... 2-0254.png

That's a typical 30.06 sign
I disagree

You may not carry a concealed rifle anywhere FIREARMS are prohibited by law
There is NO LAW regarding concealed longarms/concealed rifle licenses... there are laws regarding Places FIREARMS are prohibited
a Rifle is a FIREARM
A rifle is not a handgun

(My sincere apologies to OP for the thread hijack, just showing why a sub2000 RIFLE in a briefcase/laptop case is useful to have at 30.06 posted doctor's office where you must leave HANDGUNS outside )

So, where would a rifle be prohibited? I'm not asking just for the fun of it, I have go to a place where 30.06 signs are posted and I would like to carry the sub2000 in a computer bag. My concern is this: I'm sure I'd be stopped if I entered the place I have in mind with a visible rifle, so while there may not be a law prohibiting concealed long arms, I wonder if there may be an issue of concealing one in order to enter. I guess part of my concern is that it just seems too easy...and hence, too good to be true.

My short answer, you can't carry a rifle anywhere a rifle or weapons or firearms are prohibited... there's no "license to carry a rifle" in Texas.

In the 1970s I carried a loaded double barrel down Main Street in Houston daily, broke-open not in a threatening manner, a Cop once asked if it was legal length, I offered to give him a tape measure, he just laughed and drove away.

Personally, I don't intend to open carry anything, except a revolver with snakeshot in it out in the middle of a lake maybe.

Next on shopping list ... Concealed Crossbow (not a "firearm," but still prohibited where "Weapons" are prohibited)

Apologies if anything I coped from other thread was duplicative.

Lawyers, Legislators and other smart people, please feel free to weigh in here :)

The gunbuster sign invokes 30.05 trespass. The sign shown is really 2 signs (1) gunbuster invokes 30.05, criminal trespass for long guns, (2) text invokes 30.06 for licensed handguns.

[Beiruty]

Good price for a briefcase sized carbine for those clinics/doctors offices that post 30.06 where I have to leave my Glock "handguns" in the car
It's easier to carry a briefcase than my guitar case/tennis racket case with the aK47 folder in clinics/doctors offices posted 30.06 where I have to leave my Glock "handguns" in the car
You posted days after I got lucky & found one online, I paid more ...mine arrives Friday at my FFL, I'm always a day late ...

suitcaseguncase.jpg

Sub2000.jpg

folded_sub2000_7816-2web.jpg

Glock 26 ... I'm in Central TX, I plan to be in Houston (Pasadena) around Xmas it that's still around then ...we'll see :) I carry twin 26s now

Easily fits in a computer bag and the top of a tackle box too.

But is it really legal to carry this past a 30.06 sign?

But is it really legal to carry this past a 30.06 sign?
Simple Logical Answer ... What does a 30.06 sign forbid?
Forbids a CHL (Handgun Licensee, licensed under chapter 411 ...) from carrying his HANDGUN past that sign
A) this is not a handgun,
B) There is NO license required at all to carry a LONGARM/Rifle anyway,
C) 30.06 does not apply to longarms
D) 30.06 does not apply to any guns carried NOT under license of chapter 411...
E) Chapter 411 does not apply to longarms, only handguns
HOWEVER YOU CANNOT CARRY ANY FIREARM where FIREARMS ARE PROHIBITED

But where Licensed Handgun carriers are prohibited by a 30.06 sign, unless otherwise prohibited, (see above RE: Firearms) a 30.06 sign never applied to longarms

AK47 RIFLE / LONGARM in a guitar case (Or open carried if dumb enough to open carry it past a 30.06 sign>>> asking for trouble ) is not a handgun being carried under my Concealed handgun license/license to (open) carry a handgun...

I'm not a lawyer, but you have to make an AK or AR or a hunting rifle or a Carbine into a handgun for 30.06 to apply (I'm not addressing Firearms in general or other parts of Penal code, just the question asked)

sub2000 is easier briefcase than an AK in a guitar case ... just a matter of convenience if I have to leave the Glocks in the car for car thieves, I don't want to get back to the car with my Glocks in their hands and nothing in mine..

Many 30.06 signs look similar to this. I believe this sign would preclude carry of the Sub2000 wherever is posted.

http://images.mysecuritysign.com/img/md ... 2-0254.png

That's a typical 30.06 sign
I disagree

Sign says
" concealed handgun licensee licensed under Chapter 411 (which does not address rifles) may not carry a concealed handgun..."
a rifle long gun is not a handgun
As I stated there's no license required to carry a rifle

30.06 doesn't address rifles
Chapter 411 doesn't address rifles

The 30.06 sign is not addressed to rifle carriers, whether licensed to carry umbrellas/handguns/drive cars/ or not

You may not carry a concealed rifle anywhere FIREARMS are prohibited by law
There is NO LAW regarding concealed longarms/concealed rifle licenses... there are laws regarding Places FIREARMS are prohibited
a Rifle is a FIREARM
A rifle is not a handgun

(... just showing why a sub2000 RIFLE in a briefcase/laptop case is useful to have at 30.06 posted doctor's office where you must leave HANDGUNS outside )

Many 30.06 signs look similar to this. I believe this sign would preclude carry of the Sub2000 wherever is posted.

http://images.mysecuritysign.com/img/md ... 2-0254.png

That's a typical 30.06 sign
I disagree

You may not carry a concealed rifle anywhere FIREARMS are prohibited by law
There is NO LAW regarding concealed longarms/concealed rifle licenses... there are laws regarding Places FIREARMS are prohibited
a Rifle is a FIREARM
A rifle is not a handgun

(My sincere apologies to OP for the thread hijack, just showing why a sub2000 RIFLE in a briefcase/laptop case is useful to have at 30.06 posted doctor's office where you must leave HANDGUNS outside )

So, where would a rifle be prohibited? I'm not asking just for the fun of it, I have go to a place where 30.06 signs are posted and I would like to carry the sub2000 in a computer bag. My concern is this: I'm sure I'd be stopped if I entered the place I have in mind with a visible rifle, so while there may not be a law prohibiting concealed long arms, I wonder if there may be an issue of concealing one in order to enter. I guess part of my concern is that it just seems too easy...and hence, too good to be true.

My short answer, you can't carry a rifle anywhere a rifle or weapons or firearms are prohibited... there's no "license to carry a rifle" in Texas.

In the 1970s I carried a loaded double barrel down Main Street in Houston daily, broke-open not in a threatening manner, a Cop once asked if it was legal length, I offered to give him a tape measure, he just laughed and drove away.

Personally, I don't intend to open carry anything, except a revolver with snakeshot in it out in the middle of a lake maybe.

Next on shopping list ... Concealed Crossbow (not a "firearm," but still prohibited where "Weapons" are prohibited)

Apologies if anything I coped from other thread was duplicative.

Lawyers, Legislators and other smart people, please feel free to weigh in here :)

The gunbuster sign invokes 30.05 trespass. The sign shown is really 2 signs (1) gunbuster invokes 30.05, criminal trespass for long guns, (2) text invokes 30.06 for licensed handguns.

Gangbuster sign does not mean anything for a armed guy with long rifle , first the sign has silhouette of handgun not a long rifle and a red round circle with slash across it also means nothing to a lawyer.

[NotRPB]

I carry this handy link on my phone & Tablet (Not Necessarily up to date)
Note the hot links & specific word definitions "premises" etc

http://www.txchia.org/txcarry.htm

NOTE that 30.05 is not 30.06

On another person's property where there is a PC 30.05 `no trespass with firearms` notification.

© 1998-2011: Larry Arnold | Page updated 02/02/2012
As a NON-LAWYER MYSELF ... I'm not saying it is 100% accurate, but it is very handy in some circumstances. (Possibly outdated some though?)

The gunbuster sign invokes 30.05 trespass. The sign shown is really 2 signs (1) gunbuster invokes 30.05, criminal trespass for long guns, (2) text invokes 30.06 for licensed handguns.

Good observation that that is actually TWO SIGNS (I got too used to ignoring gunbuster signs)

So it may be the case,

http://www.txchia.org/txcarry.htm

On another person's property where there is a Red Circle GUNBUSTER PC 30.05 SIGN `no trespass with firearms` notification.
Nonlicensed Civilian
>Long gun> Misd.
>Handgun>Misd.

Licensed Civilian
>Long gun>Misd.
>Handgun> (There's ALSO that pesky 30.06 language) Depends, if on Campus, ...
(This all needs updating )

Gunbuster sign does not mean anything for a armed guy with long rifle , first the sign has silhouette of handgun not a long rifle and a red round circle with slash across it also means nothing to a lawyer.

Lawyers & other Smart persons input welcome.

[NotRPB]

You can carry a long gun concealed or otherwise anywhere where it is not prohibited by federal or state law. TXPC 46.02 only refers to "a handgun, illegal knife, or club...". 46.03 refers to "firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon...

Other than in the 46.03 locations there is no state prohibition on carrying a rifle or non-handgun "firearm" anywhere you like. 30.06 and 30.07 only apply to carrying a handgun under the authority of your LTC.

Criminal trespass TXPC 30.05 could potentially apply, but you must RECEIVE NOTICE that your presence is not allowed and then remain, in order to violate it. 30.06/7 language is not defined as NOTICE in 30.05.

It is therefore legal to carry a SBR, SBS, machinegun, etc. concealed or otherwise , as long as you aren't violating any other law by doing it (NFA, GFSZA, ...)

You may be still charged with disorderly conduct even simple carrying is not disorderly.

Thanks you guys,,, Just the risk of a charge of Disorderly Conduct charge for carrying in a Democrat run city, is why I carry concealed, whether it be handgun or rifle :)

Is a Gunbuster Picture sign (Pictogram) 30.05 notice?..I dunno, but I'll watch for it now.

[ScottDLS]

The gunbuster sign invokes 30.05 trespass. The sign shown is really 2 signs (1) gunbuster invokes 30.05, criminal trespass for long guns, (2) text invokes 30.06 for licensed handguns.

Gangbuster sign does not mean anything for a armed guy with long rifle , first the sign has silhouette of handgun not a long rifle and a red round circle with slash across it also means nothing to a lawyer.

Where in 30.05 does the statute reference a pictogram of a revolver with a slash through it? That could mean many things, most likely an accompaniment to the 30.06/7 sign. A sign with WORDING invoking 30.05 and mentioning long guns might suffice, but still no such sign is described in the statute.

So my contention is, unless you are told otherwise specifically via a sign or verbally (I refuse to say orally, you all know what I mean ), then you are not violating a law by carrying a long gun.

[VMI77]

My interest is in a location that only posts a 30.06 sign. There are no gun buster signs. So far I'm just more confused.

I'm not particularly worried about disorderly conduct as the long gun would be concealed and the only reason it would leave concealment would be to defend myself from an active shooter. I'm only concerned about the post event legal consequences of having used a long gun I had entered the location with concealed.

[NotRPB]

My interest is in a location that only posts a 30.06 sign. There are no gun buster signs. So far I'm just more confused.

I'm not particularly worried about disorderly conduct as the long gun would be concealed and the only reason it would leave concealment would be to defend myself from an active shooter.

Short version: (as I understand it)

1)Gunbuster signs are meaningless
2) you can carry a rifle concealed or not where it isn't prohibited...
3) 30.06 signs don't pertain to rifles
4) (See ScottDLS's answer(s))

[ScottDLS]

My interest is in a location that only posts a 30.06 sign. There are no gun buster signs. So far I'm just more confused.

I'm not particularly worried about disorderly conduct as the long gun would be concealed and the only reason it would leave concealment would be to defend myself from an active shooter.

The gunbuster signs are irrelevant, but for discussion sake assume they are not there. There is no law prohibiting concealed carry of a long gun or SBR, SBS, Machinegun for that matter. 30.06 or no, you are good to go other than in a 46.03 location (school, bar, airport secure area, etc.).

[Beiruty]

If there is no signs that says:
Pursuant to Texas Criminal Code,
Chapter 46 section 30.05
NO Trespass with any firearms

Would suffice.

NO Trespass
Would suffice too, for all not to enter, armed or otherwise.