30.06/30.07 confusion

[Rmartinez37]

Could the reason signs have been popping up everywhere be that there is a misunderstanding of the meaning of the two signs. I came up to our neighborhood convenience store and saw a 30.06 posted, but the laundry place next to it is 30.07 posted. They are owned by the same person, I know the guy. I asked the cashier, whom I've know for a few years now, and he couldn't tell me the difference between the 30.06 and the 30.07, he thinks they are the same. I believe their intentions are to ban open carry but allow concealed, which is fine to me. I will speak to the owner and find out what's going on. Maybe the 30.07 sign won't come down, but if a 30.06 comes down, that's a good day to me.

What do y'all think, could the rise in signs numbers be because of a misunderstanding of the meaning of the two signs.

[jed]

Could the reason signs have been popping up everywhere be that there is a misunderstanding of the meaning of the two signs. I came up to our neighborhood convenience store and saw a 30.06 posted, but the laundry place next to it is 30.07 posted. They are owned by the same person, I know the guy. I asked the cashier, whom I've know for a few years now, and he couldn't tell me the difference between the 30.06 and the 30.07, he thinks they are the same. I believe their intentions are to ban open carry but allow concealed, which is fine to me. I will speak to the owner and find out what's going on. Maybe the 30.07 sign won't come down, but if a 30.06 comes down, that's a good day to me.

What do y'all think, could the rise in signs numbers be because of a misunderstanding of the meaning of the two signs.

Very well could be the case. It seems to me that most people don't realize that OC requires a LTC.

[cyphertext]

Possibly at some mom & pop stores, but corporate chains have teams of lawyers... they know what they are doing.

[parabelum]

We in the CHL/LTC community could and should do better to educate our fellow citizens about the CHL/LTC license requirements, what it is and what it isn't.
Left does a great job at propaganda, we are behind and need to catch up and pass, quickly.
I have seen vociferous exchanges between fellow carriers in regards to OC/CC, 9mm vs. .45, Galco vs. Crossbreed etc. here and on other Forums.
Now, let us move with forward thinking henceforth, and express our knowledge/facts accordingly and professionally, alas, the other side will surely do the bidding for us

[stingeragent]

I actually spend about an hour a night responding to comments posted on the MDA tx facebook page. Nothing outlandish , just pointing out where they are wrong, what's legal etc. Most of the responses I get are " if I see anyone with a weapon im calling the cops saying I feel threatened" then you explain to them that making a false police report is illegal and then they say " if you can legally carry a gun, i can legally be threatened by you for having a gun" . That's literally how about 200 conversations I've had have went, but I keep trying. As the the OP's question, yes I think a lot of it is confusion. If you watched any of those LEO presentations, when they open up the questions to the audience part, there were numerous people asking questions that the cop already covered like 8 times, and then another person would come up with the same question. I'm no lawyer but I guess some people just can't "understand it"

[C-dub]

Possibly at some mom & pop stores, but corporate chains have teams of lawyers... they know what they are doing.

I would be right on board with that theory except that my last company had a team of lawyers and they still couldn't get any of it right. They thought by just saying that guns were prohibited, even with a CHL, in the building and in the parking lot was sufficient and that anyone caught violating that would be terminated and prosecuted. Then they were also in violation of the parking lot law for about two years. I notified them of that before it even became effective by asking if they were going to change the policy in the employee handbook. Their response was "NO" and they knew the law. Six months or so later they were forced to eat crow and quietly changed the policy and handbook.

Now, they ordered the correct 30.06 and 30.07 signs and when they arrived they said, these things are too big. They then ordered much smaller gunbuster signs that have text that say something like the following: In accordance with 30.06 & 30.07 are prohibited on the premises. I don't have photos and this is only second hand information from friends that still work there. The day they went up I got a call from a couple to let me know and have a laugh about it.

[cyphertext]

Possibly at some mom & pop stores, but corporate chains have teams of lawyers... they know what they are doing.

I would be right on board with that theory except that my last company had a team of lawyers and they still couldn't get any of it right. They thought by just saying that guns were prohibited, even with a CHL, in the building and in the parking lot was sufficient and that anyone caught violating that would be terminated and prosecuted. Then they were also in violation of the parking lot law for about two years. I notified them of that before it even became effective by asking if they were going to change the policy in the employee handbook. Their response was "NO" and they knew the law. Six months or so later they were forced to eat crow and quietly changed the policy and handbook.

Now, they ordered the correct 30.06 and 30.07 signs and when they arrived they said, these things are too big. They then ordered much smaller gunbuster signs that have text that say something like the following: In accordance with 30.06 & 30.07 are prohibited on the premises. I don't have photos and this is only second hand information from friends that still work there. The day they went up I got a call from a couple to let me know and have a laugh about it.

Employers whose businesses are not open to the public are a little different. They don't have to post to terminate you for carrying on their property. Simply putting "no guns allowed" in the employee handbook is sufficient. The parking lot is a little different, but if they know you have a gun in your car, you are doing it wrong.

[C-dub]

Possibly at some mom & pop stores, but corporate chains have teams of lawyers... they know what they are doing.

I would be right on board with that theory except that my last company had a team of lawyers and they still couldn't get any of it right. They thought by just saying that guns were prohibited, even with a CHL, in the building and in the parking lot was sufficient and that anyone caught violating that would be terminated and prosecuted. Then they were also in violation of the parking lot law for about two years. I notified them of that before it even became effective by asking if they were going to change the policy in the employee handbook. Their response was "NO" and they knew the law. Six months or so later they were forced to eat crow and quietly changed the policy and handbook.

Now, they ordered the correct 30.06 and 30.07 signs and when they arrived they said, these things are too big. They then ordered much smaller gunbuster signs that have text that say something like the following: In accordance with 30.06 & 30.07 are prohibited on the premises. I don't have photos and this is only second hand information from friends that still work there. The day they went up I got a call from a couple to let me know and have a laugh about it.

Employers whose businesses are not open to the public are a little different. They don't have to post to terminate you for carrying on their property. Simply putting "no guns allowed" in the employee handbook is sufficient. The parking lot is a little different, but if they know you have a gun in your car, you are doing it wrong.

Yes, but they said that violators would be prosecuted, which they had no legal basis to do. I also forgot to mention that they also thought this would apply to visitors that had never read the employee handbook or been required to sign anything notifying them of this policy.

[cyphertext]

Possibly at some mom & pop stores, but corporate chains have teams of lawyers... they know what they are doing.

I would be right on board with that theory except that my last company had a team of lawyers and they still couldn't get any of it right. They thought by just saying that guns were prohibited, even with a CHL, in the building and in the parking lot was sufficient and that anyone caught violating that would be terminated and prosecuted. Then they were also in violation of the parking lot law for about two years. I notified them of that before it even became effective by asking if they were going to change the policy in the employee handbook. Their response was "NO" and they knew the law. Six months or so later they were forced to eat crow and quietly changed the policy and handbook.

Now, they ordered the correct 30.06 and 30.07 signs and when they arrived they said, these things are too big. They then ordered much smaller gunbuster signs that have text that say something like the following: In accordance with 30.06 & 30.07 are prohibited on the premises. I don't have photos and this is only second hand information from friends that still work there. The day they went up I got a call from a couple to let me know and have a laugh about it.

Employers whose businesses are not open to the public are a little different. They don't have to post to terminate you for carrying on their property. Simply putting "no guns allowed" in the employee handbook is sufficient. The parking lot is a little different, but if they know you have a gun in your car, you are doing it wrong.

Yes, but they said that violators would be prosecuted, which they had no legal basis to do. I also forgot to mention that they also thought this would apply to visitors that had never read the employee handbook or been required to sign anything notifying them of this policy.

They can say anything they want... doesn't mean it is the truth, and it doesn't mean that they don't know the truth. Ever played poker? Besides, if your business is anything like mine, any vendors or visitors that would come to our office are pretty much cut from the same cloth... meaning their respective companies have very similar "No Weapons" policies as ours does.

[C-dub]

Possibly at some mom & pop stores, but corporate chains have teams of lawyers... they know what they are doing.

I would be right on board with that theory except that my last company had a team of lawyers and they still couldn't get any of it right. They thought by just saying that guns were prohibited, even with a CHL, in the building and in the parking lot was sufficient and that anyone caught violating that would be terminated and prosecuted. Then they were also in violation of the parking lot law for about two years. I notified them of that before it even became effective by asking if they were going to change the policy in the employee handbook. Their response was "NO" and they knew the law. Six months or so later they were forced to eat crow and quietly changed the policy and handbook.

Now, they ordered the correct 30.06 and 30.07 signs and when they arrived they said, these things are too big. They then ordered much smaller gunbuster signs that have text that say something like the following: In accordance with 30.06 & 30.07 are prohibited on the premises. I don't have photos and this is only second hand information from friends that still work there. The day they went up I got a call from a couple to let me know and have a laugh about it.

Employers whose businesses are not open to the public are a little different. They don't have to post to terminate you for carrying on their property. Simply putting "no guns allowed" in the employee handbook is sufficient. The parking lot is a little different, but if they know you have a gun in your car, you are doing it wrong.

Yes, but they said that violators would be prosecuted, which they had no legal basis to do. I also forgot to mention that they also thought this would apply to visitors that had never read the employee handbook or been required to sign anything notifying them of this policy.

They can say anything they want... doesn't mean it is the truth, and it doesn't mean that they don't know the truth. Ever played poker? Besides, if your business is anything like mine, any vendors or visitors that would come to our office are pretty much cut from the same cloth... meaning their respective companies have very similar "No Weapons" policies as ours does.

Are you just trying to see how long you can keep this going?

[TexasCajun]

I've been contacting businesses near me as they pop up on 3006.com. I simply and politely tell them that there is an inconsistency in their new policy. For 20yrs, Texas had had licensed concealed carry. And for 20yrs, there haven't been any problems. So the new policy (30.06 / 30.07) serves to only restrict people that have not been a problem to begin with. As of Jan 1, the requirement to conceal was removed. Nothing else changed.