Impact of 30.06 to businesses

[bbhack]

Anyone know if there are some generally accepted estimates as to what the impact to a family oriented business is to the new posting of 30.06? I had some calculations from a few months ago that it could affect maybe 10% of customers. I could recreate the analysis if it's not to be found, if anyone cares.

[G.A. Heath]

First off proper 30.06 signs are huge. A business such as a retailer can almost always better utilize that space with advertising to customers who are coming in the door. I would go so far as to suggest the cost of advertising to replace that space is not cheap. Next you have the impact of affected customers shopping at the competitors. Then you have the issue of loosing the most law abiding segment of the Texas population who are honest and will more often than not will remind a cashier when they miss an item. Along with that by excluding this segment of the population you have made your customer base more likely to shoplift or commit other crimes. Next you have the fact you now have a really big sign that tells criminals that they are welcome to have their way with the business, Employees, and Customers. Finally by posting a 30.06 sign you have the issue that your business is no longer as visually appealing as it once was.

[Tracker]

1 in 20 Texas adults have a Texas LTC. If all of them boycot stores/restaurants posting 30.06 signs, depending on their market, businesses could feel the pinch

[baldeagle]

1 in 20 Texas adults have a Texas LTC. If all of them boycot stores/restaurants posting 30.06 signs, depending on their market, businesses could feel the pinch

Those 1 in 20 are spread out all over the state. To have any impact at all, you would have to get a significant number to agree not to shop at a particular store. If, for example, you got 10,000 people to sign a petition stating that they will never shop at a store with a 30.06 sign, it probably wouldn't have any impact. If you got 100,000, it might get some notice. And that's only 1/10th of the LTC holders and 0.5% of Texans.

[cbunt1]

While the limited number argument is true, more important (immediately) to a business owner is perception. The numbers of militant anti's who are insisting on the 30.06 and 30.07 postings aren't any larger, if at all.

The probable truth is that 80% of everyone out there doesn't give a rat's whisker either way. It's the vocal 10% on each side that are even involved in the discussion.

Remember that although this is vitally important to us, to a business owner who doesn't have a horse in the race, all the discussion from either side is just one more factor, one more regulation, one more liability, one more thing to be pestered about.

financial repercussions either way will take months to sort out, and all of this will just be one more unknown factor to the small business.

[Solaris]

Anyone know if there are some generally accepted estimates as to what the impact to a family oriented business is to the new posting of 30.06? I had some calculations from a few months ago that it could affect maybe 10% of customers. I could recreate the analysis if it's not to be found, if anyone cares.

Can be huge. Couple car dealers near me post 30.06. I bought same car/model but at different dealer that did not post. Easily lost hundreds of thousands of dollars from me alone over past 20 years.

[stingeragent]

As we stand right now, I'd say we have no impact. Not that we can't have an impact, but that we don't currently. There's what , 900K + LTC holders. How many of those folks are members of this board? If we had all of them as members yes we could make some changes, but as it stands we have the short straw. On the other hand though, since we don't have that unity, and in reference to the post above about car sales, I think it is important that each of make our voices heard. If you boycott a place because of a 30.06 sign, email that company and let them know they lost your business and it went to "insert other company here" instead. For now that's really all we can do.

[Solaris]

One more thing.

A lot of businesses run on very tight margins, especially food venues. They cannot afford to lose any customers. I know several that went belly up just from nearby road construction, another went under as a result of one MFG plant nearby moving 1 mile away. I have family members in this business and they tell me how even when gas prices were $3.50 or more, business is down. It is a brutal business. They cannot even begin to grasp keeping a paying customer off premises.

[bbhack]

I was thinking more along the lines of force multiplier, where the CHL is the head of household, and there are wife and kids. This is a very real question, because it may have happened to me today. In my case it's 3 people.

So, if the the 1 in 20 (5%) CHL number is up to date, that could easily turn into more than my original 10% estimate.

The typical places where a family goes are food and entertainment. Obviously, some places already have the CHL discount baked into their numbers. For others, losing a chunk of customers may be scary.

[bbhack]

Re: Impact of 30.06 to businesses
Postby G.A. Heath » Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:13 pm

First off proper 30.06 signs are huge. A business such as a retailer can almost always better utilize that space with advertising to

G.A.

It is for this that I believe all retailers should be held to strict posting requirements.

[G.A. Heath]

Re: Impact of 30.06 to businesses
Postby G.A. Heath » Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:13 pm

First off proper 30.06 signs are huge. A business such as a retailer can almost always better utilize that space with advertising to

G.A.

It is for this that I believe all retailers should be held to strict posting requirements.

And if they want to see someone charged with criminal trespass they are held to those requirements. Otherwise they have to meet other standards such as written notification (Something handed to the license holder with exact language) or verbal notices.

[chamberc]

At 3% of the population, LTC holders boycotting a business has absolutely no effect on their revenue or profit.

[The Annoyed Man]

At 3% of the population, LTC holders boycotting a business has absolutely no effect on their revenue or profit.

Exactly. We comprise a shade less than 3% of the state's population. It would be a mistake of epic proportions to operate on the premise that all 3% of us shop at all businesses in the state. It is equally wrong to go on the assumption that all 3% of us carry a gun 24/7. The fact is, most LTC holders don't. Even all of the members of this forum, which are collectively probably much more committed to carrying than pretty much the average LTC, do not all carry 24/7. Since our numbers are spread throughout the state, only a minuscule number of us exist in any one location at any one time, who are actually carrying a gun.

Take my church as an example, which is posted 30.07 (compliant signs have replaced the non-compliant signs initially posted), and which has an average weekly attendance of about 1500-1700. If you calculate backwards on that number and assume that (a) 3% of our congregation have LTCs (not necessarily a safe assumption), and (b) that all 3% of the congregation who have LTCs are carrying on any given Sunday at church (definitely not a safe assumption since I know LTCs at my church who don't carry at church), then your assumption would be that 45 to 51 people are carrying on any given Sunday at my church. Let's assume for the sake of argument that all of your assumptions are true. If ALL of them refused to attend church there any longer because of those 30.07 signs, the truth is that the church's pastoral staff probably wouldn't even notice their absence (an average of 48 people out of 1,600) unless there existed a personal relationship between a pastor and some of the missing congregants.

That is exactly the way you have to look at the much vaunted (but factually absent) effect of LTC boycotts on businesses with 30.06 and 30.07 signs. My decision to boycott a business is an entirely one-sided transaction. I will have the satisfaction of not giving my dollars to a business I cannot support, but the merchant whom I boycott won't even notice I'm missing.......especially if I had not previously frequented his establishment and become personally known to him.

Boycott them if you must. I do myself. But understand that about 99% of the time, your boycott will have exactly zero effect on the merchant, and it is nothing more than an act of conscience on your own part.

The only sure way to change a merchant's opinion is to (a) show them the elevated and mature behavior expected of us (and not the boorish disregard for the merchant's wishes), and (b) to let the passage of time and the statistics we amass in our favor speak for us.

[parabelum]

At 3% of the population, LTC holders boycotting a business has absolutely no effect on their revenue or profit.

Disagree 100 %.


Even a 0.2% impact on ROMA is indeed, nothing to sneeze at.

[chamberc]

Good luck!