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Prohibiting signage at court houses
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:36 pm
by elisaint
I wanted to confirm and make sure that I am understanding the laws relating to carring inside of county courthouse. The attached photo is a sign that is posted about 5 feet inside the entrance of my county courthouse I have to go past this sign to get to the county clerks office and tax office for vehicle registrations. It is my understanding that that would make this sign illegal and that I am only restricted from court rooms and court related offices. I have a notice ready to send to the courthouse to notify them of the issue but I wanted to make sure that I was correct before I did so.
Re: Prohibiting signage at court houses
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:53 pm
by JustSomeOldGuy
"permit violation 790.06"? When I google that, all the results I get are Florida statutes.
Re: Prohibiting signage at court houses
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:49 pm
by RicoTX
If you are in Texas, I can tell you that you will not get much help from the AG on this one. I tried. Your local county officials are just as antigun as mine, and mine all claim to be Republicans. It's sad really, but in my case Burnet County Officials believe that we as handgun licensed citizens, are a threat to the County when we need to renew our vehicle registration. They hide behind the "we hold court in this building" loophole. I don't see it changing honestly, but I refuse to vote for these people in the future. I am referring to the Annex in Marble Falls, which I reported to the AG many moons ago to no avail. The only thing worse than an antigun Democrat is a Republican who claims to be 2A friendly until it comes to you carrying on County property. At least the Democrat is honest about his feelings up front.
Re: Prohibiting signage at court houses
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:01 pm
by surprise_i'm_armed
"If you have a Concealed Weapons Permit" - They can't even get the Texas term for carry permit correct.
Note to that court - it's called an LTC (License To Carry).
I could halfway understand it if they were still calling it a CHL, but it's apparent they want to be "anti" anyway.
Plus the sign refers to a Florida statute. Is that to throw off people who are trying to find a Texas statute with that number?
If they quoted some Texas statute, they might have to quote something that allows for LTC's to carry.
SIA
Re: Prohibiting signage at court houses
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:44 pm
by elisaint
I agree I could not find anything relating to Texas law and that code. As for the sign I believe it has been there since 2007 when I first moved to this county. Who knows how long before that. I appreciate the input
Re: Prohibiting signage at court houses
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:26 pm
by C-dub
Which county?
April Fools?
Re: Prohibiting signage at court houses
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:46 pm
by C-dub
DXer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:14 pm
I think this thread might go away at midnight, April 2.
It might. But it is interesting that the OPs only two posts are in this thread.
Re: Prohibiting signage at court houses
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:07 pm
by elisaint
Burleson county
Re: Prohibiting signage at court houses
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:16 am
by chasfm11
Denton County, too.
Re: Prohibiting signage at court houses
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:36 am
by KLB
There's a disease that commonly infects those elected to public office. The most obvious symptom is that the person comes to view himself as above ordinary people, not as a servant of ordinary people. One manifestation of that is the apparent belief that laws restricting his authority are not binding.
How else to explain the nearly ubiquitous resistance to Texas carry laws?
Re: Prohibiting signage at court houses
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:58 am
by Jusme
KLB wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:36 am
There's a disease that commonly infects those elected to public office. The most obvious symptom is that the person comes to view himself as above ordinary people, not as a servant of ordinary people. One manifestation of that is the apparent belief that laws restricting his authority are not binding.
How else to explain the nearly ubiquitous resistance to Texas carry laws?
However, the resistance of allowing carry here in Texas, has very deep roots. It hasn't been very long ago, that Texas was held in a death grip, by left wing Democrats. The disarmament of Texans, started a long time ago, and while there may be some attitudes imported from both the left and right coasts, there is still a prevailing attitude among those in power, that only LEO are trustworthy enough to carry guns. It took ousting our last Democrat Governor, to even get concealed carry passed, and even then there were a lot of restrictions, and it was cost prohibitive for a lot of people. We were viewed as a very quaint group, who got to play with guns, but our numbers were so low, that we had almost no voice.
That has changed in recent years, but that attitude towards us still remains. Third and fourth generation, judges, city council persons, county Sheriffs, etc. still hold on to those attitudes, because " that's the way it's always been" and they don't like State legislator's to tell them what they can do locally.
Re: Prohibiting signage at court houses
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:02 pm
by chasfm11
Jusme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:58 am
However, the resistance of allowing carry here in Texas, has very deep roots. It hasn't been very long ago, that Texas was held in a death grip, by left wing Democrats. The disarmament of Texans, started a long time ago, and while there may be some attitudes imported from both the left and right coasts, there is still a prevailing attitude among those in power, that only LEO are trustworthy enough to carry guns. It took ousting our last Democrat Governor, to even get concealed carry passed, and even then there were a lot of restrictions, and it was cost prohibitive for a lot of people. We were viewed as a very quaint group, who got to play with guns, but our numbers were so low, that we had almost no voice.
That has changed in recent years, but that attitude towards us still remains. Third and fourth generation, judges, city council persons, county Sheriffs, etc. still hold on to those attitudes, because " that's the way it's always been" and they don't like State legislator's to tell them what they can do locally.
I understand and agree with what you said. I would add a couple of things.
- It isn't just the politicians who believe that the LEOs should be the only ones to carry. There seems to be a percentage of LEOs themselves with this view. I hesitate to to suggest a an actual percentage but in my anecdotal experience it is greater than 10%
- there is a share of the population to whom some of the politicians are responding who are almost violently anti-gun. Too many of them (my view) come from the teaching ranks and spread their bias.With the overall polarization that is occurring within the electorate, some who might have been Liberal in some social or financial views have gone "all in" with the Progressive agenda, moving from what once might have been a neutral stance on guns and particularly concealed carry to becoming as militant on those topics as they are others. As evidence, I would point to the number of groups who passed out 30.06/.07 signs when open carry passed. Whether iit is just the natives are just drinking the political Kool-Aide or there are profound changes because of public discourse on guns is not clear to me. What is clear is that the subject of EBRs (AR-15s,etc) comes up more than anything else soon as gun topics are raised. I was very concerned that OC would push carrying at all into that category, too. Even the people who are emphatically anti-gun that I've run into are very much in denial about what the large numbers of LTCs in Texas actually means in terms of the numbers of people who CC around them on a daily basis.
Re: Prohibiting signage at court houses
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:29 pm
by warnmar10
chasfm11 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:02 pm... There seems to be a percentage of LEOs themselves with this view. I hesitate to to suggest a an actual percentage but in my anecdotal experience it is greater than 10%
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My anecdotal experience suggests your anecdotal experience underestimates that attitude among the greater enforcer community. I don't know that it is a majority but I'm fairly sure it is a significant plurality.
Re: Prohibiting signage at court houses
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:27 pm
by Grumpy1993
It certainly seems like there's a majority of civilian public servants who took an oath of office but no longer support the bill of rights, if they ever did.