Pawpaw wrote:Just because the law says they can't, doesn't mean they won't. It took some time to get them to allow concealed carry.
I wonder if that website would be enough to file a complaint with the AG?
They can legally prohibit both concealed and open carry if they put up the signs since it's a private organization.
It doesn't matter if it's a private organization or not because it's city property. The signs would be unenforceable. It also does not meet the criteria of an amusement park.
Unfortunately, it won't be city property. The State Fair of Texas leases the land every year, effectively making it private property for the duration of the fair.
From 30.07 bold added for emphasis
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder openly carries the handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.
It does not say 'owned or leased by unless leased out to a private entity.' Therefore, their lease agreement to a secondary party is irrelevant.
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Pawpaw wrote:Just because the law says they can't, doesn't mean they won't. It took some time to get them to allow concealed carry.
I wonder if that website would be enough to file a complaint with the AG?
They can legally prohibit both concealed and open carry if they put up the signs since it's a private organization.
It doesn't matter if it's a private organization or not because it's city property. The signs would be unenforceable. It also does not meet the criteria of an amusement park.
Unfortunately, it won't be city property. The State Fair of Texas leases the land every year, effectively making it private property for the duration of the fair.
How is it that you are so confused over this issue, but don't seem to have any problem with the school sponsored event issue?
Oh the irony of your screen name.
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Pawpaw wrote:Untrue. In fact, there was a news story just the other day that they're thinking about turning over operation of the fair to a private organization. Either way, it won't make any difference. It's government property no matter who it's leased to.
It's owned by the city of Dallas. I WILL cc there. That's a foregone conclusion.
I love the State Fair. Haven't been there in years though. I do want to go this year. If only to see what Big Tex is wearing.
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Pawpaw wrote:Just because the law says they can't, doesn't mean they won't. It took some time to get them to allow concealed carry.
I wonder if that website would be enough to file a complaint with the AG?
They can legally prohibit both concealed and open carry if they put up the signs since it's a private organization.
It doesn't matter if it's a private organization or not because it's city property. The signs would be unenforceable. It also does not meet the criteria of an amusement park.
Unfortunately, it won't be city property. The State Fair of Texas leases the land every year, effectively making it private property for the duration of the fair.
From 30.07 bold added for emphasis
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder openly carries the handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.
It does not say 'owned or leased by unless leased out to a private entity.' Therefore, their lease agreement to a secondary party is irrelevant.
You've got it backwards. Read what you bolded again. It is not leased BY the city during the fair. It's leased BY The State Fair of Texas. What you're thinking about would apply if, let's say, the city rented a Walmart parking lot for an event. In that case the land is leased BY the city. See the difference?
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Pawpaw wrote:Just because the law says they can't, doesn't mean they won't. It took some time to get them to allow concealed carry.
I wonder if that website would be enough to file a complaint with the AG?
They can legally prohibit both concealed and open carry if they put up the signs since it's a private organization.
It doesn't matter if it's a private organization or not because it's city property. The signs would be unenforceable. It also does not meet the criteria of an amusement park.
Unfortunately, it won't be city property. The State Fair of Texas leases the land every year, effectively making it private property for the duration of the fair.
How is it that you are so confused over this issue, but don't seem to have any problem with the school sponsored event issue?
Oh the irony of your screen name.
The school sponsored event only applies if you're a participant. As for the property not being owned or leased by the city, read my response above.
Pawpaw wrote:Untrue. In fact, there was a news story just the other day that they're thinking about turning over operation of the fair to a private organization. Either way, it won't make any difference. It's government property no matter who it's leased to.
It's owned by the city of Dallas. I WILL cc there. That's a foregone conclusion.
I love the State Fair. Haven't been there in years though. I do want to go this year. If only to see what Big Tex is wearing.
I can just about guarantee that it will be flame resistant.
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Whether they lease it out or not...it's still OWNED by the city. The law has an OR . They can't prohibit carry if it's leased by OR owned by, the city.
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ScottDLS wrote:Whether they lease it out or not...it's still OWNED by the city. The law has an OR . They can't prohibit carry if it's leased by OR owned by, the city.
Doh! Yeah, I get it now. I was focusing too much on leased, but even if leased by the fair the city still owns it which makes it unlawful for them to prohibit open carry. How do we go about filing a complaint?
Pawpaw wrote:Just because the law says they can't, doesn't mean they won't. It took some time to get them to allow concealed carry.
I wonder if that website would be enough to file a complaint with the AG?
They can legally prohibit both concealed and open carry if they put up the signs since it's a private organization.
It doesn't matter if it's a private organization or not because it's city property. The signs would be unenforceable. It also does not meet the criteria of an amusement park.
Unfortunately, it won't be city property. The State Fair of Texas leases the land every year, effectively making it private property for the duration of the fair.
From 30.07 bold added for emphasis
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder openly carries the handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.
It does not say 'owned or leased by unless leased out to a private entity.' Therefore, their lease agreement to a secondary party is irrelevant.
You've got it backwards. Read what you bolded again. It is not leased BY the city during the fair. It's leased BY The State Fair of Texas. What you're thinking about would apply if, let's say, the city rented a Walmart parking lot for an event. In that case the land is leased BY the city. See the difference?
It is OWNED by you only read half.
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SoConfused wrote:You've got it backwards. Read what you bolded again. It is not leased BY the city during the fair. It's leased BY The State Fair of Texas. What you're thinking about would apply if, let's say, the city rented a Walmart parking lot for an event. In that case the land is leased BY the city. See the difference?
The city would still be prohibited from prohibiting licensees from carrying even if they are leasing from a private land owner. Remember, the law says if the property is owned or leased by a government entity.
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SoConfused wrote:You've got it backwards. Read what you bolded again. It is not leased BY the city during the fair. It's leased BY The State Fair of Texas. What you're thinking about would apply if, let's say, the city rented a Walmart parking lot for an event. In that case the land is leased BY the city. See the difference?
The city would still be prohibited from prohibiting licensees from carrying even if they are leasing from a private land owner. Remember, the law says if the property is owned or leased by a government entity.
Yes, that's exactly what I meant with the Walmart analogy. I was just soconfused about them still owning fair park even though they lease it out.
It's owned by the city of Dallas. I WILL cc there. That's a foregone conclusion. 
