Protests - the next level?

[C-dub]

Wasn't handling it very well?

Looks like he handled it well enough.

[Grayling813]

Check out the analysis on AR15.com
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The ... 5-2362796/

[howdy]

 Court documents in Kenosha shooting


https://www.dailywire.com/news/kenosha- ... shot-first

[RoyGBiv]

Just out of curiosity, I did a little digging:

Gaige P Grosskreutz - Milwaukee, WI - 40 miles from Kenosha (Bicep blowout guy)
Anthony Huber - Silver Lake, Wi - 20 miles from Kenosha (Skateboard guy)
Joseph Rosenbaum - Kenosha, WI (Headshot guy)

Kyle Rittenhouse - Antioch, IL - 21 miles from Kenosha

I'm not sure what the relevance is regarding distance traveled - but apparently it matters to those on the Left, so there you have it for perspective.

I think they're trying to defeat the self defense argument by saying the kid intended to incite trouble. Traveling 20 miles across state lines with a rifle may give that impression to some people. It's a whole lotta nothing at this point, but unfortunately, when you add up a whole lotta nothing, some people see a valid argument rather than an empty basket.

Regardless, this case is not as clear cut as it may seem. As far as I know, there's no video evidence that shows how the altercations first started. We are only assuming that it started when the protester fired his first shot. We don't know what happened before that. We don't know for sure who showed a use of force first. I believe it's for that reason the kid is being charged. If he can prove that the protesters were the initial forceful aggressors, then the case will die in court. We will see.

There is clear video evidence showing the kid running away, a gunshot (not his) and the guy following him throwing something at him ....

I'm not doubting that part. But did the kid use force to provoke the protester before the start of the video? That's what I'm getting at. Time in this universe didn't start when the video started. Things may have transpired before that. If the kid was the initial aggressor, then self defense is out the window. I am in no way condoning the guilt of the kid. In all honesty, I hope he didn't start the altercation. But I can't say he's not guilty of the accused crimes until I am certain of the whole story.

[Grayling813]

[philip964]

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch ... of-looting

NPR - in defense of rioting

[Boxerrider]

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch ... of-looting

NPR - in defense of rioting

Osterweil utilizes many types of logical fallicies in that interview. Am I to conclude that she is OK with looters taking her books without paying and protestors burning the publisher's facilities?

[strogg]

Wasn't handling it very well?

Looks like he handled it well enough.

Agreed - he wasn't waving it around, had his finger visibly off the trigger in every photo I saw and was pretty controlled when firing.

Maybe he just wasn't "operator" enough for the guy?

[philip964]

https://www.click2houston.com/sports/20 ... -shooting/

Astros don’t play Friday night to protest a convicted criminal who fought with police was tased and then reached into a car to get his knife was shot by police and was permanently injured.

[oljames3]

Google images of "blake knife in hand" and you will see stills from the video showing him holding what appears to be a curved blade as he walks to the car.

[crazy2medic]

There is clear video evidence showing the kid running away, a gunshot (not his) and the guy following him throwing something at him

A Flaming something !

[srothstein]

There is clear video evidence showing the kid running away, a gunshot (not his) and the guy following him throwing something at him

A Flaming something !

There have been more videos released that show the object thrown better. The guy through something, but it wasn't flaming. It was a plastic bag and the reflections of it fluttering made it look like a fire. I do not know what was inside the plastic bag and have not found any sources saying what it was. Clearly there was some type of weight in the bag to get it through the air. This does not disprove it was a liquid with a lit fuse in it, but a plastic bag won't burst and spread the fuel like a Molotov Cocktail.

And, IMO, it does not lesson the self-defense factor either. If someone is attacking me with a weapon, I get to defend myself. If it doesn't work the first time, I do not have to give him time to get a second chance to make it better.

[philip964]

https://www.wispolitics.com/wp-content/ ... 020-PS.pdf

Kenosha Police association releases vital details on Jacob Blake shooting.

“Here are the actual and undisputed facts:
• The officers were dispatched to the location due to a complaint that Mr. Blake was attempting to steal the caller’s keys/vehicle.
• Officers were aware of Mr. Blake’s open warrant for felony sexual assault (3rd degree) before they arrived on scene.

• Mr. Blake was not breaking up a fight between two females when officers arrived on scene.
• The silver SUV seen in the widely circulated video was not Mr. Blake’s vehicle.
• Mr. Blake was not unarmed. He was armed with a knife. The officers did not see the knife initially. The officers first saw him holding the knife while they were on the passenger side of the vehicle. The “main” video circulating on the internet shows Mr. Blake with the knife in his left hand when he rounds the front of the car. The officers issued repeated commands for Mr. Blake to drop the knife. He did not comply.
• The officers initially tried to speak with Mr. Blake, but he was uncooperative.
• The officers then began issuing verbal commands to Mr. Blake, but he was non-complaint.
• The officers next went “hands-on” with Mr. Blake, so as to gain compliance and control.
• Mr. Blake actively resisted the officers’ attempt to gain compliance.
• The officers then disengaged and drew their tasers, issuing commands to Mr. Blake that he would be tased if he did not comply.
• Based on his non-compliance, one officer tased Mr. Blake. The taser did not incapacitate Mr. Blake.
• The officers once more went “hands-on” with Mr. Blake; again, trying to gain control of the escalating situation.
• Mr. Blake forcefully fought with the officers, including putting one of the officers in a headlock.
• A second taser (from a different officer than had deployed the initial taser) was then deployed on Mr. Blake. It did not appear to have any impact on him.
• Based on the inability to gain compliance and control after using verbal, physical and less- lethal means, the officers drew their firearms.
• Mr. Blake continued to ignore the officers’ commands, even with the threat of lethal force now present. “