Egyptian Terrorists Attack US on 9/11

[mamabearCali]

No, it falls under our first amendment. People can say the most terrible of things and it is still free speech. We either stand by our constitution or we don't. If these idiots get so murderously riled up over a stupid Internet movie that none of us had ever heard of till this am that they would kill an ambassador then they we're simply a lit cannon waiting to go off. In this country people are free to be as irreverent as they wish, as a Christian I would not have it any other way.

Edited to clarify.

As a Christian who is very respectful of God, I would not change our way of govt to classify irrevent speech as a national security threat.

[RoyGBiv]

BTW. That idiot instigator behind the movie, that pastor whose only mission is to pour gas on the flames of religious tension, should be detained as national threat to USA. That falls under the Patriot act. Just my opinion.

Wrong.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

These "people" are just a bunch of fanatical idiots who decide MURDER is the best reaction to speech they don't like. I'm a little surprised anyone would suggest it's the fault of the person who created the movie. What movie could possibly provide sufficient justification for storming two US Embassies and MURDERING 4 US citizens? Really? I'm more secure in my religious beliefs than to allow some move-making idiot to drive me to MURDER. Anyone of any faith should be pointing the finger at the MURDERERS.

if those MURDERERS want to do something really constructive, they should stop giving this idiot move maker a bigger platform.. What they're doing is proving him right by committing MURDER because they were offended by a MOVIE...

[rwg3]

It would be terrible if civilians were killed. I dont want that. However perhaps just perhaps a little bit of fear is in order here. Perhaps these dingbats would not act so irresponsibly if they thought that perhaps it would be their mother, father, wife, children, killed in a missile strike. Perhaps fear would moderate their actions then. on the idiots who did this and on our gov't gutless response.

These innocent civilians face an awful decision(s). Should they point out the radical terrorists who use their religion in order to achieve social and political power, and expose themselves to torture and murder for doing so? Or should they just hope hope that they aren't the collateral damage in a retalitory airstrike? And really who would they point the anarchists out to? Not a choice I would want to make, but one thing is for sure. There is a war going on inside Islam and unless those who hold a less radical view put a stop to the militants, it will move to engulf the world in ways beyond where we are now. We cannot settle the issue for them, they have to do it within their system.

[mamabearCali]

I understand that there is a split in Islam. However the idiots who did this have fathers,wives, mothers and children I would hazard a guess. If they do not agree with what they are doing then they need to restrain them. If my son were off to kill an ambassador or storm an embassy and thus put the lives of all the family in danger I would lock him in his room and do whatever I could to restrain him. Islamic people had better work this out fast before we have to. I am sure there were Germans who did not want hitler to try to take over all Europe. Because they did not restrain him we had to. Either they figure out how to restrain themselves or we will have to.

[Medic624]

BTW. That idiot instigator behind the movie, that pastor whose only mission is to pour gas on the flames of religious tension, should be detained as national threat to USA. That falls under the Patriot act. Just my opinion.

Wait...WHAT?!?

So ... if I anger a sect of people's because of my religious or political ranting and THEY take it upon themselves to riot and KILL an UN-armed NON-combatant on sovereign U.S. soil I am somehow responsible and should be arrested?!?

WoW

We are currently seen as a paper tiger... The Grand Appeasing State Dept and Administration and their current and former action/inaction has either directly or indirectly allowed this to happen unfettered. And, NOT because some whack job makes a video. By your statement we should round up all fundamental religious or constitutional purists who may say or do something that would anger the Muslim followers and incite them to do harm... Again,

Billions to Muslim Brotherhood... We see how that is working out in our favor

1 Billion to help broker a deal to buy submarines from Germany... Admittedly to assist in "watching" for Isreali ships

Public condemnation and extremely restrictive ROE for our Servicemen and women as well as massive defense budget cuts that have greatly increased the risk on their lives

Publicaly dismissing Isreali Prime Minister to then make time for David Letterman

The list of trying to either buy their love or wanting to "hug it out" can only be interpreted as an effort to make nice for so long. Eventually you know the people you're dealing with and can anticipate (to a degree) their response. I no longer take anything as a mistake or a dumb choice.

[74novaman]

The Egyptians made their desires clear when they stormed our embassy, took down the US flag and raised the flag of Islamic Jihad on SEPTEMBER 11TH.

Withdraw any diplomatic personnel from these countries, stop pretending that these revolutions are going to produce western style democratic republics, stop sending them money, and drill here so we can finally stop giving an ounce of care what happens over there.

[Medic624]

The Egyptians made their desires clear when they stormed our embassy, took down the US flag and raised the flag of Islamic Jihad on SEPTEMBER 11TH.

Withdraw any diplomatic personnel from these countries, stop pretending that these revolutions are going to produce western style democratic republics, stop sending them money, and drill here so we can finally stop giving an ounce of care what happens over there.

[RoyGBiv]

I like Krauthammer..
"for the US to issue a veiled apology is disgraceful"
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And this is how I feel today...
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Yesterday's attacks were an act of misguided vengeance -- pointed at us, but really in response to this movie. Muslims who felt their religion had been insulted (as, indeed, it had been -- the director's intent is quite clear) took revenge. Because we were not at fault, however, the harm done to us does not balance but rather upsets the scale. We now have an obligation of honor to settle the score and avenge the harm done to our flag, and the murder of our ambassador.

If we do not do this the consequences will be terrible. It is fine to do it through the law: the Libyan government has apologized for the attacks in its country, and if they are willing to work with us to find and hang the murderers, so be it. If the law fails to work, however, we must avenge our flag and our ambassador in any case. At minimum someone must die for the murder of our ambassador, in a clear and public way.

The language of honor is a language of deeds, not always a language of words. An obligation has been imposed upon us. If we want peace, we must see to our honor. It is only in that way that we can ensure the respect upon which peace in the Middle East is ever based. A peace between warriors is the only peace there is to be had.

And... FYI.....
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The Government Accountability Institute, a new conservative investigative research organization, examined President Obama’s schedule from the day he took office until mid-June 2012, to see how often he attended his Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) — the meeting at which he is briefed on the most critical intelligence threats to the country. During his first 1,225 days in office, Obama attended his PDB just 536 times — or 43.8 percent of the time. During 2011 and the first half of 2012, his attendance became even less frequent — falling to just over 38 percent. By contrast, Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush almost never missed his daily intelligence meeting.

[74novaman]

Not sure if it's true or not, but found an interesting "eye witness account" on another site.

Sofian Kadura is an airline pilot who lives in Benghazi.

I was out with a few friends yesterday evening around 9 or 10 p.m., when we drove into the area where the consulate is located. All of a sudden, we were caught in a huge crowd, with people seemingly shooting on both sides – at the consulate and from the consulate. But it was hard to tell exactly who was shooting. We quickly managed to get to safety, to an area about 200 metres away from the consulate. My friends and I – who were all Freedom Fighters, or rebels, during the war – wanted to go back and see exactly what the trouble was, so I took my AK-47 from my car. (Today, I remain part of a volunteer brigade that ensures security in Benghazi.)

However, when we tried to get closer to the consulate, we realised that armed Islamists had blocked off the streets. They had automatic rifles, RPGs, and big machine guns mounted on cars. It was obvious they were Islamists due to their long beards. I told them I was part of a security brigade, and asked them to let me through – they refused. A large crowd of civilians had gathered, and many people tried to persuade the Islamists to stop. The Islamists were yelling that they wanted to kill everyone in the consulate. We said, “You know, there are Libyans working in there, too,” but they didn’t care – they said those Libyans should never have agreed to work with Americans. They also claimed that the consulate security fired at them first [Editor’s Note: we are unable to idependently verify this claim] – and I said, well, did you really think it was a good idea to show up to ‘protest’ with RPGs and automatic rifles?

"This is not what we fought the war for"

We stayed there until the Islamists left, at around midnight. Usually, when any big incident happens in Benghazi, those who are members of brigades receive orders over our talkie walkies from a main call centre. We received no orders. In fact, there was a brigade just down the street, but they stayed away. I was very distraught. This is not what we fought the war for. While I think the video is insulting, and should never have been made, I don’t think violence is the solution.

Today, many people in Benghazi are just as angry as me, and dislike these Islamists. But we’re in a difficult spot, because criticising them can be interpreted as being “against” the Prophet. The Islamists I talked to last night belong to a brigade affiliated with the radical Islamist group Ansar Al-Sharia, which translates to “Those Who Want Sharia” [other eyewitnesses and at least one Libyan official have blamed the group for the attack, according to the BBC]. In the past few months, it’s become increasingly powerful and well-known. Like the rest of the brigades in Benghazi, they theoretically ensure security only when the local government asks them to do so. The hospital, which was in dire need of security, recently asked for their help, and since they’ve been guarding it, there’s been no more trouble there. But when religion is involved, they seem to act of their own accord. For example, these past months, they’ve destroyed Muslim mausoleums that they deem blasphemous.

People are quite scared of them, because these Islamists seem unafraid of dying. There have always been Islamists in Benghazi, but during Muammar Gaddafi’s era, they were locked up in jail. Now, they seem to be making up for lost time. And until the government gives us orders to stop them, there’s not much we other brigades can do. However, I think they will have to be stopped soon, because what they did at the consulate went way too far.

[misterholt]

Our President is too soft to Kill his Muslim brothers but has not one hesitation giving weapons to drug cartels and letting American citizens die. Anyone else still trying to figure out why the Left keeps pushing for his election?

[mamabearCali]

Apparenlyt we are sending in marines. 50 men. With our ambassador killed and the Lybian govt unsble to control its citizens I don't see a purpose for keeping anyone there. Perhaps they can assist with the evac of our embassy.

[RPB]

Not sure if it's true or not, but found an interesting "eye witness account" on another site.

Sofian Kadura is an airline pilot who lives in Benghazi.

I was out with a few friends yesterday evening around 9 or 10 p.m., when we drove into the area where the consulate is located. All of a sudden, we were caught in a huge crowd, with people seemingly shooting on both sides – at the consulate and from the consulate. But it was hard to tell exactly who was shooting. We quickly managed to get to safety, to an area about 200 metres away from the consulate. My friends and I – who were all Freedom Fighters, or rebels, during the war – wanted to go back and see exactly what the trouble was, so I took my AK-47 from my car. (Today, I remain part of a volunteer brigade that ensures security in Benghazi.)

However, when we tried to get closer to the consulate, we realised that armed Islamists had blocked off the streets. They had automatic rifles, RPGs, and big machine guns mounted on cars. It was obvious they were Islamists due to their long beards. I told them I was part of a security brigade, and asked them to let me through – they refused. A large crowd of civilians had gathered, and many people tried to persuade the Islamists to stop. The Islamists were yelling that they wanted to kill everyone in the consulate. We said, “You know, there are Libyans working in there, too,” but they didn’t care – they said those Libyans should never have agreed to work with Americans. They also claimed that the consulate security fired at them first [Editor’s Note: we are unable to idependently verify this claim] – and I said, well, did you really think it was a good idea to show up to ‘protest’ with RPGs and automatic rifles?

"This is not what we fought the war for"

We stayed there until the Islamists left, at around midnight. Usually, when any big incident happens in Benghazi, those who are members of brigades receive orders over our talkie walkies from a main call centre. We received no orders. In fact, there was a brigade just down the street, but they stayed away. I was very distraught. This is not what we fought the war for. While I think the video is insulting, and should never have been made, I don’t think violence is the solution.

Today, many people in Benghazi are just as angry as me, and dislike these Islamists. But we’re in a difficult spot, because criticising them can be interpreted as being “against” the Prophet. The Islamists I talked to last night belong to a brigade affiliated with the radical Islamist group Ansar Al-Sharia, which translates to “Those Who Want Sharia” [other eyewitnesses and at least one Libyan official have blamed the group for the attack, according to the BBC]. In the past few months, it’s become increasingly powerful and well-known. Like the rest of the brigades in Benghazi, they theoretically ensure security only when the local government asks them to do so. The hospital, which was in dire need of security, recently asked for their help, and since they’ve been guarding it, there’s been no more trouble there. But when religion is involved, they seem to act of their own accord. For example, these past months, they’ve destroyed Muslim mausoleums that they deem blasphemous.

People are quite scared of them, because these Islamists seem unafraid of dying. There have always been Islamists in Benghazi, but during Muammar Gaddafi’s era, they were locked up in jail. Now, they seem to be making up for lost time. And until the government gives us orders to stop them, there’s not much we other brigades can do. However, I think they will have to be stopped soon, because what they did at the consulate went way too far.

It is interesting, some odd things caught my eye though, marked in red.
Unless I'm mistaken, and I'm not, most Muslims will usually only have a beard to the length of his fist, not generally longer.
"I don’t think _____ is the solution." This gives me deja vu back to Anti-Campus Carry Liberals who claim something isn't a solution without stating a problem.
"went way too far" I was wondering what that person's opinion of how far is enough/how far should one go to prevent another person's exercise of free speech; how much should the innocent third parties working at a Consulate be punished for an Individual thousands of miles away saying something?
"This is not what we fought the war for" That's an American way of saying ... This is not why we fought the war ... Great, our TV stations are now teaching foreigners how to speak English incorrectly as well as the hooded rap group imitating middle school kids with pants on the ground.

[stroo]

These incidents were about 9/11 not some stupid movie. We need to take action, covert or otherwise.

[powerboatr]

Our President is too soft to Kill his Muslim brothers but has not one hesitation giving weapons to drug cartels and letting American citizens die. Anyone else still trying to figure out why the Left keeps pushing for his election?

that is an easy one to answer
POTUS is Muslim, no doubt about it
he is so far under the rug of his religion for letting his wife speak, he must seek sympathy from his brothers so they wont chop off his head

he is a disgrace
I urge everyone here to CALL your elected leaders and let them know we are a STRONG nation that will not apologize for some dummies views or movies
I dislike all muslims simply because of the religion and what it stands for. It is a religion of bigotry, pedophilia, and double standards, not to mention an insult to all human beings.

the traitor in chief needs to be held accountable for his disgraceful tone and words from his administration.
he is allowing us to drift back to pre 9/11 mindset and that is what got us damaged in severe ways

All aid to egypt and libya should be halted.
I have been to both places numerous times and there is not a lot there to BUY off
pyramids are cool.......but the people are not


anyone notice that Canada closed its embassy in iran????? and told all iranian ambassadors in Canada to hit the road
i fear we are on the edge of some major military events in the region, the likes we have not seen since WWII ....that will gravely effect us here and our servicemen abroad.
Israel cannot sit idly by waiting on potus, they will protect themselves. and we SHALL as Americans support their actions

[TxD]

Not sure if it's true or not, but found an interesting "eye witness account" on another site.

Sofian Kadura is an airline pilot who lives in Benghazi.

I was out with a few friends yesterday evening around 9 or 10 p.m., when we drove into the area where the consulate is located. All of a sudden, we were caught in a huge crowd, with people seemingly shooting on both sides – at the consulate and from the consulate. But it was hard to tell exactly who was shooting. We quickly managed to get to safety, to an area about 200 metres away from the consulate. My friends and I – who were all Freedom Fighters, or rebels, during the war – wanted to go back and see exactly what the trouble was, so I took my AK-47 from my car. (Today, I remain part of a volunteer brigade that ensures security in Benghazi.)

However, when we tried to get closer to the consulate, we realised that armed Islamists had blocked off the streets. They had automatic rifles, RPGs, and big machine guns mounted on cars. It was obvious they were Islamists due to their long beards. I told them I was part of a security brigade, and asked them to let me through – they refused. A large crowd of civilians had gathered, and many people tried to persuade the Islamists to stop. The Islamists were yelling that they wanted to kill everyone in the consulate. We said, “You know, there are Libyans working in there, too,” but they didn’t care – they said those Libyans should never have agreed to work with Americans. They also claimed that the consulate security fired at them first [Editor’s Note: we are unable to idependently verify this claim] – and I said, well, did you really think it was a good idea to show up to ‘protest’ with RPGs and automatic rifles?

"This is not what we fought the war for"

We stayed there until the Islamists left, at around midnight. Usually, when any big incident happens in Benghazi, those who are members of brigades receive orders over our talkie walkies from a main call centre. We received no orders. In fact, there was a brigade just down the street, but they stayed away. I was very distraught. This is not what we fought the war for. While I think the video is insulting, and should never have been made, I don’t think violence is the solution.

Today, many people in Benghazi are just as angry as me, and dislike these Islamists. But we’re in a difficult spot, because criticising them can be interpreted as being “against” the Prophet. The Islamists I talked to last night belong to a brigade affiliated with the radical Islamist group Ansar Al-Sharia, which translates to “Those Who Want Sharia” [other eyewitnesses and at least one Libyan official have blamed the group for the attack, according to the BBC]. In the past few months, it’s become increasingly powerful and well-known. Like the rest of the brigades in Benghazi, they theoretically ensure security only when the local government asks them to do so. The hospital, which was in dire need of security, recently asked for their help, and since they’ve been guarding it, there’s been no more trouble there. But when religion is involved, they seem to act of their own accord. For example, these past months, they’ve destroyed Muslim mausoleums that they deem blasphemous.

People are quite scared of them, because these Islamists seem unafraid of dying. There have always been Islamists in Benghazi, but during Muammar Gaddafi’s era, they were locked up in jail. Now, they seem to be making up for lost time. And until the government gives us orders to stop them, there’s not much we other brigades can do. However, I think they will have to be stopped soon, because what they did at the consulate went way too far.

If the above "eye witness" report is true the following exerpt is the most troubling because it shows that the government is complicit in the acts of these Islamic insurgents.

"Usually, when any big incident happens in Benghazi, those who are members of brigades receive orders over our talkie walkies from a main call centre. We received no orders. In fact, there was a brigade just down the street, but they stayed away."