Voting for NRA Board members

[escapedNJ]

"I don't object to you supporting any candidate, but I have a strong objection to absurd allegations that the NRA doesn't do anything for NJ. Had you not made such unfounded statements, I wouldn't have posted on this thread."

I didn't say NRA has done nothing for NJ.. I said they have done very little. So I acknowledge they do some work in NJ. Just not enough... So no allegations have been made!

Now that's a distinction without a difference. No matter how much money is spent on advertising, organizing, rallies and infomercials, the NJ electorate does not vote for pro-gun candidates. Only Laughtenberg's death got him out of the Senate! Everyone in the country knew his was rabidly anti-gun, so no resources needed to be spent telling people about his stance on Second Amendment Rights. As you acknowledged in another post, the NRA is funding or participating in 14 lawsuits in NJ trying to use the courts to protect Second Amendment rights. No other state has that many suits ongoing. We are putting money into lawsuits because that holds more promise.

So yes, the NRA is doing as much for NJ has we can with the resources we have available to the states. Remember, the battle at the federal level is paramount as a loss there could make state laws irrelevant.

Chas.

The 14 lawsuits are great.. but no one found out until they were mad.... Then they compare the NRA to local organizations that are organizing rallies with hundreds of people... Again I didn't say the NRA didn't do anything (Which you said you wouldn't of comment don this article). As a dues paying member I have a right to my opinion and the NRA has to understand the peoples perception. It's not on the people to change the perception but the organization too. There are plenty of organizations to donate money too, as I am members of many and I donate EVERY PAYCHECK to the NRA Civil Defense FUND!

Again this for dues paying members to get exposure to people that they could vote for and this person has a podcast that they can say... Yes I like his points or No I don't like his points instead of just whats on a paper. I think everyone wants to make an informed decision on who they are voting for. Not just pull the lever with someone that has a recognizable name or is a celebrity.

I'm going to weigh in here.......and I understand why you're pulling for NJ's RKBA.......but if there are more NRA lawsuits in NJ than in any other state, and there are other states at least as onerous toward the RKBA as NJ is (California, Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts, Illinois, just to name 5 of them), and if NJ is therefore getting the lion's share of NRA litigation money, then aren't you kind of urging NRA to ignore other states which need the NRA's attention, litigation efforts, and funding just as badly as NJ does, so that NJ can hog an even larger share of those resources? There are 49 other states in the Union, at least a half dozen of which are in the same boat as NJ......not to mention the fact that even in relatively gun-friendly states (like Texas), there's always some yahoo trying to squash gun rights, and that costs money.

This NJ issue doesn't pass the sniff test to me, and I don't think NRA should waste any more money there than it already is wasting. As Charles pointed out, as long as NJ keeps electing closet nazis and mafia bosses, the RKBA is always going to be under heavy attack; and there is simply going to be a point beyond which there is no ROI for the NRA in NJ. Don't believe me? Look to Illinois, and how long and at what cost and maneuvering did it take to finally get concealed carry passed there.....AFTER McDonald.....and it is STILL nearly impossible for the average Joe to get a CHL. And look at how the Illinois governor interfered and tried to derail the court's ruling? Do you seriously think that Christie won't do the same if backed into a corner? It is wasted money in NJ, and I think the NRA should only involve itself in NJ litigation in cases where it is a slam-dunk to win.

The only reasonable choice for a NJ gun-owner who strongly and unapologetically supports the 2nd Amendment is to vote with your feet, get the heck out of there, and move to someplace that is more rational.

I voted with my feet... But the money they are talking about is coming from the Civil Defense fund which is separate and you can donate on your own as I do. I will wait to see an official NRA report saying that most of the money is going to NJ... Also allowing states to be managed by unconstitutional laws says what about the 2nd amendment? It's only a state right? Not a Constitutional right? IF we manage it that way the Antis will win just like what they did in the UK. Divide the gun owners and conquered.

[mojo84]

A board position is not like a state representative or senatorial position.

[mojo84]

Speaking of mafia bosses, this Anthony reminds me of the boss on the Sopranos.

[escapedNJ]

Speaking of mafia bosses, this Anthony reminds me of the boss on the Sopranos.

LOL... You know he is from NJ....

[A-R]

Divide the gun owners and conquered.

I'm going to be blunt and say what many of my fellow Texans are likely thinking but are too polite to say so bluntly:

The way YOU have approached this issue in this thread is much more divisive than any response you've received, most of which have been reasoned and reserved. Now, before you react with incredulity at my bluntness please understand I am merely criticizing the manner with which you've made your "pitch" to gain our interest in your preferred candidate - I don't know you personally and this is not a personal attack (do NOT respond as if it is - see forum rules).

Frankly, when it comes to NRA issues Charles Cotton has EARNED a tremendous amount of respect from the members of this forum and RKBA-loving Texans in general.

You continuing to belabor your points in this thread has nearly zero chance of swaying my opinion toward your viewpoint, and I'd imagine many others feel the same.

That said, your right to continue to speak your mind is of course yours to exercise (within the confines of forum rules of course). But, frankly, I don't think you've helped your cause so far and believe YOU and YOUR POSTS most closely exhibit an attempt to "divide and conquer".

Regards ...

[escapedNJ]

Divide the gun owners and conquered.

I'm going to be blunt and say what many of my fellow Texans are likely thinking but are too polite to say so bluntly:

The way YOU have approached this issue in this thread is much more divisive than any response you've received, most of which have been reasoned and reserved. Now, before you react with incredulity at my bluntness please understand I am merely criticizing the manner with which you've made your "pitch" to gain our interest in your preferred candidate - I don't know you personally and this is not a personal attack (do NOT respond as if it is - see forum rules).

Frankly, when it comes to NRA issues Charles Cotton has EARNED a tremendous amount of respect from the members of this forum and RKBA-loving Texans in general.

You continuing to belabor your points in this thread has nearly zero chance of swaying my opinion toward your viewpoint, and I'd imagine many others feel the same.

That said, your right to continue to speak your mind is of course yours to exercise (within the confines of forum rules of course). But, frankly, I don't think you've helped your cause so far and believe YOU and YOUR POSTS most closely exhibit an attempt to "divide and conquer".

Regards ...

I think you made your point on your 1st point and as we all know from your 1st post you made your mind up right then. My cause was to make sure other people look at their options when voting the board.. I know I have accomplished as I am sure some folks here have viewed & maybe even listened to his podcast. If decide one way or another.. then again mission accomplished.

[The Annoyed Man]

I voted with my feet... But the money they are talking about is coming from the Civil Defense fund which is separate and you can donate on your own as I do. I will wait to see an official NRA report saying that most of the money is going to NJ... Also allowing states to be managed by unconstitutional laws says what about the 2nd amendment? It's only a state right? Not a Constitutional right? IF we manage it that way the Antis will win just like what they did in the UK. Divide the gun owners and conquered.

Charles just told you in a previous post that he is privy to the background info on NRA litigation in NJ, and exactly how he is privy to that; and then he told you a blanket statement that NRA has more lawsuits going in NJ than in any other state.......and you are saying that you don't believe him? Why don't you just come out and call him a liar? Dude, that report you're waiting to see will have been written with Charles' input.

I'm done here.

[Jumping Frog]

Well, I stated in the 5th post that I was not voting for anyone from New Jersey. Nothing in the intervening 30+ messages has proven particularly persuasive in changing my mind. In fact, just the opposite.

[jmra]

Well, I stated in the 5th post that I was not voting for anyone from New Jersey. Nothing in the intervening 30+ messages has proven particularly persuasive in changing my mind. In fact, just the opposite.

[escapedNJ]

I voted with my feet... But the money they are talking about is coming from the Civil Defense fund which is separate and you can donate on your own as I do. I will wait to see an official NRA report saying that most of the money is going to NJ... Also allowing states to be managed by unconstitutional laws says what about the 2nd amendment? It's only a state right? Not a Constitutional right? IF we manage it that way the Antis will win just like what they did in the UK. Divide the gun owners and conquered.

Charles just told you in a previous post that he is privy to the background info on NRA litigation in NJ, and exactly how he is privy to that; and then he told you a blanket statement that NRA has more lawsuits going in NJ than in any other state.......and you are saying that you don't believe him? Why don't you just come out and call him a liar? Dude, that report you're waiting to see will have been written with Charles' input.

I'm done here.

I didn't call him a liar, I just need to validate myself on if the majority of the Civil Defense Fund is being spent in NJ. I think it's fair to question it when i was accused of saying the NRA does nothing in NJ when I said they did very little. The Civil Defense fund that I donate is it's own universe when it comes to money and it takes donations as I donate twice a month to this fund.

My point until it was side tracked by hate for NJ and not caring for other gun owners was to make awareness about someone running for the Board and because it's a hot thread I did that. I am sure there will be some folks checking him out so mission accomplished.

Have a Happy New Year everyone.. Remember we are all on the same side.

[escapedNJ]

I voted with my feet... But the money they are talking about is coming from the Civil Defense fund which is separate and you can donate on your own as I do. I will wait to see an official NRA report saying that most of the money is going to NJ... Also allowing states to be managed by unconstitutional laws says what about the 2nd amendment? It's only a state right? Not a Constitutional right? IF we manage it that way the Antis will win just like what they did in the UK. Divide the gun owners and conquered.

Charles just told you in a previous post that he is privy to the background info on NRA litigation in NJ, and exactly how he is privy to that; and then he told you a blanket statement that NRA has more lawsuits going in NJ than in any other state.......and you are saying that you don't believe him? Why don't you just come out and call him a liar? Dude, that report you're waiting to see will have been written with Charles' input.

I'm done here.

Also I forgot to mention the "Defense Fund" isn't my dues. I am glad that my $ that I additionally donate there is being put to good use. Also I am not surprised that the Board Member from NJ that is a lawyer has a lot of litigation I would be close to the topic and involved as well if I was a board member and a lawyer.

[Charles L. Cotton]

I didn't call him a liar, I just need to validate myself on if the majority of the Civil Defense Fund is being spent in NJ.

Okay, I've had it with you. I didn't say the majority of the CRDF funds are spent in NJ, I said there were more lawsuits pending in NJ than in any other state. (See below.)

You make false allegations about the NRA, you claim the NRA isn't doing enough in NJ, then you admit you are aware that we have 14 lawsuits ongoing in NJ. When you're caught, you then try to shift the focus by claiming the NRA doesn't do enough to publicize our efforts. I explained why we can't or won't publicize certain efforts, but that's not good enough for you. Fine, but I hardly consider it constructive criticism when you don't bother to check the facts before making unfounded accusations.

If you think you're going to keep your candidate's name before our Members by continuing what you describe as a "hot" thread, then you're flat wrong. Knock it off or I'll move the entire thread to the Moderators Forum where no one will see it. If you want people to remember your candidate, then let them remember his rather alarming statement that "if it isn't broke, I'll break it!.

Chas.

. . . As you acknowledged in another post, the NRA is funding or participating in 14 lawsuits in NJ trying to use the courts to protect Second Amendment rights. No other state has that many suits ongoing. We are putting money into lawsuits because that holds more promise. . . .