Mosul falls to ISIS

[VMI77]

Sigh....perhaps a mostly secular despot was not such a horrible thing. We can't win.

I was against Iraq war from the start. I was 100% sure Iraq war did not serve the interest of US, nor the war was winnable. One had just to ask the British how was it in Iraq after WW2.
Now, the Iraq/Syria war is destabilizing the whole ME.
The whole Obama/Hillary Foreign policy is total failure. If for Bengazhi incident, Hillary said who cares if it was for the video or pre-planned attack. Now, what about Iraq, Syria and ISIS?!!
no-action in Syria by Obama administration led to ISIS getting stronger and nobody cared until it is too late.

My attitude from the start as well. I angered many friends when I told them that bad as Saddam might be, Iraq was not a threat to the US and our intervention would make things worse for the people of Iraq, the ME, and the interests of the US --and that there were no WMD's in Iraq.

[mamabearCali]

Well I claim youth for my ignorance at the start. I was in my junior year of my undergrad when Bush started the war, was getting married in a year and was mostly oblivious. I also lived in a Norfolk VA so military is wher it is at there and often you don't ask too many questions. Anyway. With age and experience I have learned that secular despots are often less brutal than 7th century democracies and a whole bunch more stable.

Saddam was evil, but perhaps he was the wrong nut to crack.

[baldeagle]

there were no WMD's in Iraq.

Sadly, that is untrue. The left and the media have convinced a great many people that it is, so it doesn't seem to matter any more what the truth is. It's also true that Al Qaeda fighters were being trained in Iraq, but that has disappeared down the black hole as well. It says something about the power of the media that a lie becomes truth and truth becomes a lie.

Any idea where the chemical weapons came from that were used in Syria not too long ago? Syria didn't manufacture them.

[mojo84]

I don't believe there was any WMD there when we got there. That doesn't mean there wasn't any before we arrived.

Based on current events, I feel like we accomplished little to nothing in Iraq other than removing Sadam and his barbaric regime. The price we paid monetarily and, more importantly, in lives of our young soldiers is tragic. However, we must keep in mind we are working from the advantage of hindsight.

[VMI77]

there were no WMD's in Iraq.

Sadly, that is untrue. The left and the media have convinced a great many people that it is, so it doesn't seem to matter any more what the truth is. It's also true that Al Qaeda fighters were being trained in Iraq, but that has disappeared down the black hole as well. It says something about the power of the media that a lie becomes truth and truth becomes a lie.

Any idea where the chemical weapons came from that were used in Syria not too long ago? Syria didn't manufacture them.

I knew someone was going to respond as you did. Well, in the first place, calling the chemical weapons used in Syria WMDs is just a scare term. Weapons of mass destruction used to be nukes, now just about anything is called a WMD --it's like calling a semi-automatic rifle an "assault rifle" and with the same purpose....to exaggerate the danger of something. When Colin Powell was lying at the UN the talk was of yellow cake....uranium.....and the specter of Saddam having nuclear weapons. Now, Colin Powell claims that he was deceived and didn't know he was lying, which I find hard to buy, but he still lied in any case. The poison gas tale is a default excuse because Saddam didn't have nukes. How much public support would there have been to invade Iraq because they had poison gas? Well, they had used it before on their own people and the Iranians, and we not only did nothing --because it wasn't a threat to the US-- we continued to supply Saddam with intelligence and material support in his war with Iran.

So, how come poison gas wasn't a WMD requiring invasion back then? How come if the poison gas you say went from Iraq to Syria --and this claim isn't recent btw, it was being made back in 2003-- was so much of a threat we needed to invade Iraq, we didn't invade Syria to get the stuff we supposedly invaded Iraq to get? When the gas crossed the border did it morph from a WMD to just plain old poison gas? We expended a lot of lives and treasure going into Iraq and then decided it was ok for Syria to have the same thing that required us to spend all blood and treasure in Iraq?

And you can't simply blame the media for lying, because yes, they lie all the time, but when they were lying before the Iraq invasion the lies they were telling were for the purpose of creating public support for the invasion. The media has supported every war we've ever fought....even Vietnam, initially...until the tide of public opinion turned against it....partly because of the ruling class getting deferments while the sons of blue collar families got drafted.

[philip964]

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200 US civilian contractors trapped at A surrounded Iraq air base. Working for department of defense.

Taking small arms fire and RPG's from ISIS. So far holding. So far US military not helping to evacuate.

[gringo pistolero]

At one point weapons of mass destruction were called NBC to encompass Nuclear, Biological and Chemical weapons. At another point they were known as CBR for the categories of Chemical, Biological and Radiological.

I think the current buzzword is CBRN to distinguish between true nuclear weapons and radioactive dirty bombs.

[VMI77]

http://mobile.wnd.com/2014/06/200-u-s-c ... s-in-iraq/

200 US civilian contractors trapped at A surrounded Iraq air base. Working for department of defense.

Taking small arms fire and RPG's from ISIS. So far holding. So far US military not helping to evacuate.

If true, I have to ask.....is the Head Clown deliberately wanting to look weak, foolish, and gutless? How does the clown posse think it's going to play politically if ISIS captures a bunch of Americans working for the military, parades them around on television, then lops off their heads?

[VMI77]

At one point weapons of mass destruction were called NBC to encompass Nuclear, Biological and Chemical weapons. At another point they were known as CBR for the categories of Chemical, Biological and Radiological.

I think the current buzzword is CBRN to distinguish between true nuclear weapons and radioactive dirty bombs.

If they wanted to logically include biological and chemical weapons like Sarin gas under the same umbrella they would call them WMM.....weapons of mass murder. A nuke produces mass destruction, radioactive contamination, and death. Biological and chemical weapons just produce death. It was NBC when I was in the military.

[RoyGBiv]

http://mobile.wnd.com/2014/06/200-u-s-c ... s-in-iraq/

200 US civilian contractors trapped at A surrounded Iraq air base. Working for department of defense.

Taking small arms fire and RPG's from ISIS. So far holding. So far US military not helping to evacuate.

If true, I have to ask.....is the Head Clown deliberately wanting to look weak, foolish, and gutless? How does the clown posse think it's going to play politically if ISIS captures a bunch of Americans working for the military, parades them around on television, then lops off their heads?

Ask Ambassador Stevens?
I think he might quote another Clown Posse member and say "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

[mamabearCali]

He is doing damage to us that will take decades to undo. The Iraq war was not a good idea. Letting Iraq fall is even worse after all the time and treasure we have spent there.

I keep thinking at some point this man will be held to account. So far not yet.

[Cedar Park Dad]

Of course, he could just say "I didn't make the mess. I'm just trying to clean it up."

[mamabearCali]

Of course, he could just say "I didn't make the mess. I'm just trying to clean it up."

Then I think we need a better maid service if this is what he calls "cleaning up".

[Cedar Park Dad]

Of course, he could just say "I didn't make the mess. I'm just trying to clean it up."

Then I think we need a better maid service if this is what he calls "cleaning up".

He followed Bush's timetable. Afghanistan is more his baby, but Iraq? hardly. Its up to the Iraqis to fix their own problems. Sorry but we've been out of there for three years gone now.

[Dave2]

Of course, he could just say "I didn't make the mess. I'm just trying to clean it up."

Then I think we need a better maid service if this is what he calls "cleaning up".

He followed Bush's timetable. Afghanistan is more his baby, but Iraq? hardly. Its up to the Iraqis to fix their own problems. Sorry but we've been out of there for three years gone now.

I think the primary objection is to not trying to rescue our DoD contractors from ISIS, rather than any timeline issues.