Toys R Us Policy

[Abraham]

Hoi Polloi,

I'd like to be able to say "Yes", but sadly no, it doesn't make sense to me as enforcing such policies wouldn't in my estimation be either right or left - it would be left...

I don't think anyone on the right is anti small farmer wherever he may exist. Most especially those conservatives I know who came from small farming backgrounds... At the same time, if such practices as "Fair Trade" are made policy, what then started out as noble would have a fair chance of evolving into something monstrous if leftists are in charge.

For reasons beyond my ken, leftists absurdly seem to think stewardship of the environment is exclusively their domain as if conservatives couldn't care less what they breathe in or if their water is clean, etc.

Please forgive my rant - it's directed at you personally.

It's just that whenever I happen across what sounds sanctimoniously leftist, I get dyspeptic...

[Abraham]

"Please forgive my rant - it's directed at you personally."

Arrrggghhh - That was supposed to read "Not" directed at you personally.

Sorry!

[Hoi Polloi]

Ha ha ha.

I should have better written what I wrote. I agree with you. When I said "some people try to get the movement to succeed through right- or left-leaning policies" what I meant was hands-off, free market, etc for the right and hands-on governmental involvement for the left. Neither is due to sustainability or fair trade in the first place, though. It is because of individuals' concern for fair trade and sustainability that they want the government to interact (or not) with it according to their political ideology.

As a comparison, logging is not a right or left issue. People on the right and left have opinions on it and want governmental policies that express their views on logging (no government involvement or governmental oversight or what have you). In the same way, fair trade and sustainability initiatives are neither right nor left, but those on either side have opinions on it and want policies that express their views on it (no government involvement or governmental oversight or what have you). So fair trade and sustainability itself are neither right nor left, though you'll hear about it more from one side than the other.

This is contrasted with platform issues that are primarily or only compatible with one ideology. Socialized health care is primarily compatible with left-leaning political ideology. Complete laissez-faire economics is primarily compatible with libertarianism. The responsibility to protect social mores such as the institution of marriage and to restrict access to pornography are primarily compatible with right-leaning political ideology. These issues in themselves are "rightist" or "leftist" or whatever because they arise from the person's view of the role of government. Most issues are themselves neutral (conservation, firearms, health care, etc) and the policies that are proposed is where you see the politics come through. That's the case with fair trade and sustainability in my opinion. They are neutral issues, and people apply their political ideology and desire policies (hands-on, hands-off, supporting, abolishing, whatever) that reflect their ideology and that is where you see the politics come in.

Did I just make myself as clear as mud?

[Abraham]

Hoi Polloi,

Weeeeeeeel, your post is a bit discursive for my plodding self...

"some people try to get the movement to succeed through right- or left-leaning policies" what I meant was hands-off, free market, etc for the right and hands-on governmental involvement for the left."

Doesn't that rather summarize the basic tenets of the right vs. left irrespective of subject?

"Neither is due to sustainability or fair trade in the first place, though."

I'm afraid I'm too obtuse to understand how this statement fits into the context or even what it means...?

[Hoi Polloi]

I'm sorry. Not enough sleep and too much coffee for me this morning. Maybe someone else can try to translate from my crazy world for me or maybe I'll be able to do better later in the day.

[danpaw]

I can live without Toys r Us or Taco Cabana, or Jared, or any other business that has competitors. If they have a sign whether it's compliant or not it still tells me what I need to know about what they believe about us and they don't need any of my money. I think they should be informed that this is Texas not California and there is a difference. Possibly the business they lose won't be enough to matter to them, especially if some of you continue to shop there even after you know what their philosophy is.

[troglodyte]

2nd - why do we continue to inform companies that they have the wrong sign posted?

Again, it does not appear that the OP did this. He let them know that he didn't like their stated corporate anti-gun policy. He is encouraging us to do the same so that they will connect this policy with a negative impact on their bottom line. This is completely independent of the enforceability of any posted signs.

He did not inform them that their signs may be non-complaint. The distinction is very significant. I completely support his actions in this way.

My apologizes, I did jump the gun before reading through things carefully. I need to slow down long enough to actually read things.

[tetralaw]

My apologizes, I did jump the gun before reading through things carefully. I need to slow down long enough to actually read things.

Not a problem,
I do the same thing sometimes.

I was just trying to get people aware of some situations and help other law abiding gun loving people (even if they aren't from TX).

[bdickens]

... If they have a sign whether it's compliant or not it still tells me what I need to know about what they believe about us and they don't need any of my money....

Maybe.

Maybe not.

[glbedd53]

Maybe, maybe not???

[bdickens]

If a place really was seiously anti-gun, they would expend the effort to find out what the law is. I'm sure that the BradyBunch or the Violence Permission Center would be happy to help.

[glbedd53]

If they are not seriously anti gun, why bother to put up a sign? If they are not seriously anti gun they could just put one of those "no unlicenced possession of handgun" signs.

[Oldgringo]

Youngest grandson took us to ONE of the Toys R Us Stores in B'ham today {BARF}. There is most definitely a no guns allowed sign at the front door. Here in Alabama, the "gunbuster sign" means no guns allowed. We got it good in Texas.

Speaking of Alabama; ROLL TIDE!

[esxmarkc]

Hate to resurrect a thread this old but it's a done deal here in the Woodlands. Fresh, compliant 30.06 signs right on the front door. Weren't there earlier this month. They're large printed on paper and taped to the glass. Obnoxious looking signs. Very frustrating.

Besides my place of work, I have been turned around 3 times this week by 30.06 signs. It somehow feels like we're loosing ground.

[SQLGeek]

They have posted the Sugar Land store also.