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strider67 wrote:Since I know we have quite a diverse Forum population, I was wondering if anyone pulls/has pulled the following:

We currently have a 2010 Toyota Tundra Crew Max, 2WD, 5.7l V8. We are looking at a Sooner 3-horse slant with the weekender package. Trailer: GVWR 14,857 LB.; GAWR Front 5,200LB and Back 5,200LB. It is pulled as a gooseneck.

I found these ratings in another thread for the Crew Max: GCWR 15,300 lb; TWR 9000 lb.

Here is where I need the help...what exactly do all of these numbers mean...?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Pawpaw wrote: Your trailer has a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of 14,857 lbs. That means the combined weight of the trailer and it's contents is not supposed to exceed that legal maximum.

Your truck has a Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) of 15,300 lbs. This means the combined weight of your truck & contents (including fuel and any occupants) and the trailer & contents is not supposed to exceed that legal maximum.

This means that, even empty, your truck is not legally rated to pull that trailer when it's fully loaded. What this really means is that if you have a wreck and anyone figures out you were over the GCWR, you will be vulnerable to a lawsuit.

talltex wrote: The GCWR uses the "curb weights" , which includes the weight of fuel, fluids, rated cargo and full passenger occupancy. The TWR of 9,000 lb is the maximum weight of the loaded trailer it is rated to handle....in other words, the truck by itself, with 6 people and full fuel tank, weighs about 6,300 lbs, so subtract that weight from the total combined weight rating of 15,300lb and you get a maximum trailer weight of 9000lb. loaded.

"According to Featherlite's brochure (you can download it in Acrobat format here: http://www.featherlitemfg.com/brochures.cfm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) The maximum axel weight of the 3 and 4 horse gooseneck model # 8541 is 5200 lbs - x2 for a max trailer weight (loaded) of 10,400 lbs.

Given that, I would imagine that 3,000 lbs wouldn't be too far off the mark for the trailer empty. Add 3 average sized horses (3 x 1200 lbs, or 3600lbs) and a few hunderd pounds for tack and feed and the whole rig not including the truck would be around 7,000 lbs.

You could call a dealer, I get the feeling that the actual wieght of any specific trailer would depend heavily on the amount and type of options you got on it."

Pawpaw wrote:It sounds like you've got it all worked out. Now you need a brake controller on your pickup to activate the electric brakes on the trailer.

Pawpaw wrote:It sounds like you've got it all worked out. Now you need a brake controller on your pickup to activate the electric brakes on the trailer.

Carry-a-Kimber wrote:All you need to know.

jimlongley wrote: And be prepared to experience some surprises when the brakes activate until you get them fine tuned.

strider67 wrote:

jimlongley wrote: And be prepared to experience some surprises when the brakes activate until you get them fine tuned.

Thanks for the tip, Jim, will do.

jimlongley wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:It sounds like you've got it all worked out. Now you need a brake controller on your pickup to activate the electric brakes on the trailer.

And be prepared to experience some surprises when the brakes activate until you get them fine tuned.

I pulled a 26' travel trailer with a Jeep Grand Cherokee and wasn't warned about the sensitivity of the electronic braking system. It's real interesting when the trailer's brakes kick in before the tow and the whole thing tries to straighten out on a rain slick road.

strider67 wrote:Thanks for the info!

OK, so option #2...if a switch is made to look at a "Featherlite" 3-horse slant gooseneck (same size as Sooner but aluminum), and I can pull 9,000 lb, then I think I'm covered. I found this on a Horsetopia Forum and I quote:

"Given that, I would imagine that 3,000 lbs wouldn't be too far off the mark for the trailer empty. Add 3 average sized horses (3 x 1200 lbs, or 3600lbs) and a few hunderd pounds for tack and feed and the whole rig not including the truck would be around 7,000 lbs.

If it is this simple, then that would leave me around 2,000 lb of my daughter's trophies to bring home, right? Thank you!

The Annoyed Man wrote:

jimlongley wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:It sounds like you've got it all worked out. Now you need a brake controller on your pickup to activate the electric brakes on the trailer.

And be prepared to experience some surprises when the brakes activate until you get them fine tuned.

I pulled a 26' travel trailer with a Jeep Grand Cherokee and wasn't warned about the sensitivity of the electronic braking system. It's real interesting when the trailer's brakes kick in before the tow and the whole thing tries to straighten out on a rain slick road.

I still have an electronic brake controller on my Pathfinder and haven't used it in a long time, but it does take some getting used to.