AR ideas?

[1s1k52]

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a new frontier arms lower unless I find one cheaper than 230.00 shipped to me thats including FFL fees and shipping cost.

judging on PSA I can get a 6.8 from them for about half the price as others makes me wonder why, but I will still most likely go with them if this works out

[C-dub]

Went to Cabelas and went around their used section. They had a lot of Windham AR's that were...ok I guess. I really liked an AR that appearantly I didn't save the name it started with an L but wasnt Larue. I think I can make any AR do this but not sure how. The safety was easily reached and managed while staying on target. All the other AR's I had to lower the muzzel and kind of turn it safety side up. I have small hands but some of the safetys were REALLY stiff. This unusual? I have decided on a 1:7 twist for sure or though I did until I read there is a 1:8 twist? gimmack? or worth a look?

LWRC?
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[1s1k52]

Nah I would have recognized that

[C-dub]

Nah I would have recognized that

I don't see any on their website that start with "L." Could it have been one of those with the skulls on it from Black Rain Ordinance?

[cyphur]

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a new frontier arms lower unless I find one cheaper than 230.00 shipped to me thats including FFL fees and shipping cost.

judging on PSA I can get a 6.8 from them for about half the price as others makes me wonder why, but I will still most likely go with them if this works out

You should keep in mind that you also need a Bolt Carrier Group to accompany that PSA upper. PSA is out of stock on BCGs so currently none of their offerings ship with them unless they specifically state that they do - such as their complete rifle.

A BCG right now tends to run about $140-$160 when you find them in stock. I ordered a full 5.56MM BCG for my PSA 6.8 build, I'll just grab a 6.8SPC bolt and swap it out.


As far as a budget AR build - Hammer Forged does not exactly fall under "budget" IMHO. You can get uppers for $120 less from PSA that will suit you just fine. Such as these:

16" Mid-length A2 Profile CMV CL

16" Mid-Length Heavy Profile CMV CL


It will be tens of thousands of rounds before you wear out either of those, and you gain nothing from hammer forging that you will notice for a plinker. Keep in mind that many of those technologies may benefit those in harms way, or those that may run through a barrel or two a year, for most folks, the typical barrel will last most of their ownership of the rifle.

$280 upper, $150 BCG, $99 PSA lower(or wait for the lower to go on sale for $59 blem), grab a basic PSA lower build kit for $80, and you have yourself a roughly $600 AR.

You could go with the $130 complete NFA lower and shaved some coin off of the cost, not sure what your application for the rifle is or your comfort zone with a composite lower is. The jury is out for me, haven't used one yet. Will not recommend them until I do.

[A-R]

Nah I would have recognized that

I don't see any on their website that start with "L." Could it have been one of those with the skulls on it from Black Rain Ordinance?

What was price? Could be Legion Firearms out of Temple, but it would look "different" (cerakote, hexagonal barrel cuts) and be very expensive ($2,000 +)

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[RoyGBiv]

16" Mid-length A2 Profile CMV CL

16" Mid-Length Heavy Profile CMV CL

$280 upper, $150 BCG, $99 PSA lower(or wait for the lower to go on sale for $59 blem), grab a basic PSA lower build kit for $80, and you have yourself a roughly $600 AR.

Great suggestions cyphur... Thanks.!

One question... Buried in the comments for the M4 version is the following... Can someone tell me what exactly is the impact of this issue regarding handguards? Thanks againg.

The only thing I don't get is the front hanger on the front sight for the handguard is triangular. None of my rail systems will fit on it unless I pop the front sight and change it or run a floating 2 piece handguard.

[cyphur]

16" Mid-length A2 Profile CMV CL

16" Mid-Length Heavy Profile CMV CL

$280 upper, $150 BCG, $99 PSA lower(or wait for the lower to go on sale for $59 blem), grab a basic PSA lower build kit for $80, and you have yourself a roughly $600 AR.

Great suggestions cyphur... Thanks.!

One question... Buried in the comments for the M4 version is the following... Can someone tell me what exactly is the impact of this issue regarding handguards? Thanks againg.

The only thing I don't get is the front hanger on the front sight for the handguard is triangular. None of my rail systems will fit on it unless I pop the front sight and change it or run a floating 2 piece handguard.

The handguard cap is what the handguards snap into at the front sight post - the standard is circular I do believe.

[RoyGBiv]

The only thing I don't get is the front hanger on the front sight for the handguard is triangular. None of my rail systems will fit on it unless I pop the front sight and change it or run a floating 2 piece handguard.

The handguard cap is what the handguards snap into at the front sight post - the standard is circular I do believe.

Thanks again..

[OldCannon]

I have decided on a 1:7 twist for sure or though I did until I read there is a 1:8 twist? gimmack? or worth a look?

Not a gimmick. 1:8 is actually an "ideal" twist rate for stabilizing all bullet weights. You just don't see them much until recently. Wilson Combat, Bravo Company, and Black Hole Weaponry make 1:8 barrels. I have two uppers in my shop made with 1:8 twist and I'm VERY impressed by them (Black Hole Weaponry barrels).

[A-R]

I have decided on a 1:7 twist for sure or though I did until I read there is a 1:8 twist? gimmack? or worth a look?

Not a gimmick. 1:8 is actually an "ideal" twist rate for stabilizing all bullet weights. You just don't see them much until recently. Wilson Combat, Bravo Company, and Black Hole Weaponry make 1:8 barrels. I have two uppers in my shop made with 1:8 twist and I'm VERY impressed by them (Black Hole Weaponry barrels).

I have a 1/8 twist Sabre Defense 16-inch barrel and it is scary accurate with everything from 55-grain to 69-grain and very accurate with 77-grain as well - will do 1/2 MOA with 55, just under 1 MOA with 69, and just over 1 MOA with 77-grain

[1s1k52]

Thanks for all the replies. I will have to get back over to cabellas and check it out. This has turned into what was a "budget" AR to becoming a completely different rifle. Talked to the guy at SWAT FIREARMS and he was telling me none of their barrels are chrome lined or 1:7. They are all standard 1:9 but he could make me one.

Yeah I was wondering why the BCG was "0.00" on that PSA.

I am trying to build a "basic" AR that (furniture aside) last me for quite awhile and shoot just about everything. Kind of like if it was the last rifle I ever built or bought then the world ended ha ha. Worst case scenario. I go get a dirt cheap or build an AR and all this learning will apply to the next one. Ill check those links out

[1s1k52]

A BCG right now tends to run about $140-$160 when you find them in stock. I ordered a full 5.56MM BCG for my PSA 6.8 build, I'll just grab a 6.8SPC bolt and swap it out.


As far as a budget AR build - Hammer Forged does not exactly fall under "budget" IMHO. You can get uppers for $120 less from PSA that will suit you just fine. Such as these:

16" Mid-length A2 Profile CMV CL

16" Mid-Length Heavy Profile CMV CL


$280 upper, $150 BCG, $99 PSA lower(or wait for the lower to go on sale for $59 blem), grab a basic PSA lower build kit for $80, and you have yourself a roughly $600 AR.

You could go with the $130 complete NFA lower and shaved some coin off of the cost, not sure what your application for the rifle is or your comfort zone with a composite lower is. The jury is out for me, haven't used one yet. Will not recommend them until I do.

I have not seen lowers that cheap and no I do not what a poly lower. What are the differences between those uppers? I must be missing something?

[cyphur]

A BCG right now tends to run about $140-$160 when you find them in stock. I ordered a full 5.56MM BCG for my PSA 6.8 build, I'll just grab a 6.8SPC bolt and swap it out.


As far as a budget AR build - Hammer Forged does not exactly fall under "budget" IMHO. You can get uppers for $120 less from PSA that will suit you just fine. Such as these:

16" Mid-length A2 Profile CMV CL

16" Mid-Length Heavy Profile CMV CL


$280 upper, $150 BCG, $99 PSA lower(or wait for the lower to go on sale for $59 blem), grab a basic PSA lower build kit for $80, and you have yourself a roughly $600 AR.

You could go with the $130 complete NFA lower and shaved some coin off of the cost, not sure what your application for the rifle is or your comfort zone with a composite lower is. The jury is out for me, haven't used one yet. Will not recommend them until I do.

I have not seen lowers that cheap and no I do not what a poly lower. What are the differences between those uppers? I must be missing something?

PSA is currently out stock on their lowers, but they normally run $99. They have been running sales on what they call "blemished lowers" which means the anodized finish did not come out perfect. The two I have.....tough to find any blems. I see the anodizing came out a bit thin in a few spots....but I'll likely be cerakoting them anyhow so it will not matter much.

You do not need a hammer forged barrel, it's a neat thing to have, and if you *NEED* sub-MOA, maybe it's something you should look into. For a plinker, the common Chrome-Moly Vanadium Chrome-Lined (see CMV CL in my other posts) should work just fine. You'll still get an excellent life span out of the barrel and most folks will not miss the accuracy gain(as their gun outshoots them regardless).

Other than the CHF vs CMV CL, and the barrel profiles, the uppers are the same. Well, except a few that are on sale are $120 cheaper Between a $99 PSA lower and a $280 PSA upper, you can get a pretty inexpensive rifle built that still is built on a sound quality foundation.

[1s1k52]

All good to know man. Any reason someone would not get a chrome lined barrel? I priced some 1 in 8 twist barrels which alone seem to run 200+