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8th Circuit: No duty to show ID in Arkansas

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Too many people mischaracterize the Hiibel ruling. I see people refer to it as "requiring anyone to show ID", when that's not the case. SCOTUS ruled that state laws requiring people to show ID are constitutional; absent such a state law, there is no requirement.

The 8th Circuit has affirmed this with a recent Arkansas ruling. Great news for privacy advocates. They also stripped the arresting officer of his qualified immunity.

http://www.swtimes.com/articles/2008/04 ... news10.txt

Monday, April 7, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
Court: Arrest For ID Refusal Unwarranted

By Rob Moritz

Arkansas News Bureau • rmoritz@arkansasnews.com

LITTLE ROCK — A police officer does not have the authority to arrest someone for refusing to identify himself when he is not suspected of committing a crime, a federal appeals panel ruled Friday.

The decision by a three-judge panel of the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis reversed an Arkansas federal judge’s ruling and ordered a new hearing in a Benton County man’s lawsuit challenging his arrest for refusing to show his identification during a traffic stop.

“It is amazing how many times I have had people convicted for doing the same thing,� said Rogers attorney Doug Norwood. “You have to have a reasonable suspicion that the individual person is either committing a crime or about to.�

Norwood filed the original lawsuit on behalf of Richard M. Stufflebeam of Lowell.

Stufflebeam was a passenger in his grandson’s car in May 2003 when the vehicle was stopped by a state trooper. The driver was not issued a citation during the traffic stop. When Trooper Jeff W. Harris asked the grandfather for identification, he told the officer he did not have to show any ID.

“It was an afterthought,� Norwood said. “The officer asked Mr. Stufflebeam for his ID and he said ‘no.’�

The trooper “returned to his vehicle and requested backup,� the court said.

“When two additional officers arrived, Harris asked Stufflebeam to exit the vehicle,� the ruling said, adding that Stufflebeam was handcuffed and placed in the back of the trooper’s cruiser. He was taken to jail and charged with obstructing governmental operations.

The prosecutor’s office later dismissed the charge in district court and Stufflebeam filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against Harris, alleging the trooper had no probable cause to arrest him.

U.S. District Court Judge Jimm Hendren dismissed the lawsuit, ruling the trooper had qualified immunity as a police officer and that Stufflebeam failed to state a claim. Stufflebeam appealed to the 8th Circuit.

In its ruling Friday, the federal court panel referenced a 2004 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that “an officer may not arrest a suspect for failure to identify himself if the request for identification is not reasonably related to the circumstances justifying the stop.�

There was no evidence Stufflebeam was trying to obstruct justice when he refused to identify himself, the appeals court said.

“Thus, the primary question ... is whether Arkansas law permits a police officer to arrest a person for refusing to identify himself when he is not suspected of other criminal activity and his identification is not needed to protect officer safety or to resolve whatever reasonable suspicions prompted the officer to initiate an ongoing traffic stop. We conclude it does not,� the court said.

The court also said the state trooper did not have qualified immunity from the lawsuit under state statute.

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It's too bad he's immune from criminal charges for kidnapping the driver's grandfather.
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Maybe immune from kidnapping chargers but not from a civil law suite.

The story is Interesting because last week I heard from a shooting buddy / lawyer that Police are not immune from lawsuits if the arrest someone for a 'non-crime'. The example I remember was "Wearing a tie on Thursday."7
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:anamatedbanana Texas DPS stopped my wife for no properly display of liscense plate lights, I was half sleep in passenger side he asked to see my TDL. I obliged ,why not? someone could have kid napped my ole lady or something.....I try to make their job easy and it saves me a ride to the slammer!! :smash: :fire
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Fragger wrote::anamatedbanana Texas DPS stopped my wife for no properly display of liscense plate lights, I was half sleep in passenger side he asked to see my TDL. I obliged ,why not? someone could have kid napped my ole lady or something.....I try to make their job easy and it saves me a ride to the slammer!! :smash: :fire
But it's different with your CHL AND you are carrying. If you do not identify yourself to the officer with your ID and CHL, then you are in violation. If your not carrying, then you are not required to give any ID.
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