It's 1:18 on Thursday and discussions by the Ohio Senate on Bill 184 and amendments is being streamed at this time. Looks like it might pass. http://www.theohiochannel.org/
This has to do with officer notification, Castle Doctrine etc.
Ohio S.B. 184 streaming Senate Discussion
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Re: Ohio S.B. 184 streaming Senate Discussion
And it passed 25-7 in the House. 
Thanks for the link Dave!
Thanks for the link Dave!Keith
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Re: Ohio S.B. 184 streaming Senate Discussion
For those who have been looking at the Ohio laws, it has been a mish-mash of traps and misunderstanings to this point. This legislation is a step in the right direction on clearing up some of the confusion.
Here is a synopsis of what was passed and what should be signed by the Governer of Ohio today...
http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/3990/83/
What does SB 184 Mean to You?
Written by Daniel White
Thursday, 29 May 2008
Now that Sub SB 184 has passed the Ohio legislature and is on its way to Governor Ted Strickland (who has said he supports the legislation), many Ohioans are now wondering exactly how the changes will affect them in roughly three months when they will go into law.
With that in mind, I'd like to present a layman's analysis in plain English. Before that, though, I'd like to offer my sincere thanks and appreciation to the organizations and individuals who worked so hard to get these important fixes passed.
First and foremost, thank you to Senator Buehrer for sponsoring the legislation, and to all of the legislators who signed on as co-sponsors, supported, and voted for the bill. I also extend thanks to those gun rights organizations whose members presented testimony (especially Gary Witt who testified on behalf of OFCC), made phone calls, wrote letters, and sent emails. This includes members of Ohioans For Concealed Carry and our forums, the National Rifle Association, NRA Institute for Legislative Action, Ohio Rifle and Pistol Association, Buckeye Firearms Association, Peoples Rights Organization, numerous bloggers and their readership, and any other gun rights activist who participated in the process.
Below is my interpretation of the bill. It is in no way intended to be construed as legal advice or a professional interpretation. I encourage you to read the bill yourself.
Tort Reform
Bars criminal offenders or their attorneys from recovering damages for injuries they receive while engaged in specified criminal acts even if not charged.
Castle Doctrine
Removes the duty to retreat from a criminal attack before using force to defend yourself or another if you are lawfully in a residence or vehicle (vehicle must be your own or that of an immediate family member). In such situations, the burden of proof that an act was not self defense falls on the prosecution provided the defender was lawfully in the residence or vehicle and the attacker was not.
LEO Notification
Reduces the penalty for failure to notify a LEO that you have a CHL if the officer knows you have one to a minor misdemeanor (for example, you are stopped in a motor vehicle that is registered to you and the officer runs your plates). Note that this does not relieve you of the duty to inform, only reduces the penalty if you don't.
Class D
The Class D liquor permit restrictions were altered. Rooms are no longer off limits for "dispensing", only for rooms in which a Class D has been issued where alcohol is being consumed. An exception was added for retail stores provided the CHL holder was not consuming. An example would be grocery stored conducting a wine tasting. An exception was also added for the holder of the Class D license for any establishment provided the Class D holder has a CHL and is not consuming alcohol.
Picking Up or Dropping Off at School
Decriminalized ccw in a school safety zone while immediately in the process of picking up or dropping off kids at school provided the CHL holder remains in the vehicle.
Sealed Records
If a past criminal conviction has been sealed or expunged or relief from disability granted by a judge, those records are not to be used as grounds for denial for a CHL.
Renewals
When renewing a CHL, you are no longer required to bring a color photograph or resubmit fingerprints. For first time renewals, evidence of meeting the educational requirements are no longer required. For subsequent renewals, a written test does not need to be taken, only a demonstration of range competency.
Public Buildings
Only government buildings denoted in the law are off limits, as well as those buildings or parts of buildings owned or leased by the government of Ohio, or a political subdivision of Ohio (county or local governments, for example), where employees of the government regularly are present for the purpose of performing their official duties as employees of the state or political subdivision. It specifically excludes buildings used primarily as a shelter, restroom, parking facility for motor vehicles, or rest facility.
Homeowner's Rights
You are not required to have a CHL to lawfully carry concealed in your own home.
Tenant's Rights
Landlords cannot deny or restrict tenants who have a CHL, or guests with a CHL while the tenant is present, their right to keep and bear arms.
Parking Lots
If you knowingly violate a prohibition against firearms in a private parking lot or parking facility, it is a civil trespass issue, not a criminal trespass (provided you are not in violation of other laws).
Retired Peace Officers
The firearms requalification period for retired peace officers was extended from one to five years.
Motor Vehicle Transport
Unloaded firearms at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle with a barrel at least eighteen inches in length do not need to be transported in a closed case or secured in a rack provided they are in plain sight. CHL holders can transport a loaded firearm in an unlocked (but closed) glove compartment or vehicle console.
Unloaded Defined
An unloaded firearm is defined as having no ammunition in the firearm and no ammunition loaded into a magazine or speed loader that may be used with the firearm in question and that is located anywhere within the vehicle in question, without regard to where ammunition otherwise is located within the vehicle. What this means is don’t have any magazines or speed loaders loaded in the vehicle
Firearms Confiscations and Surrenders
If a firearm is confiscated or surrendered to police, they must take steps to track ownership so it can be returned in the same condition it was in when taken into custody. If a firearm is not returned and a court orders the return, the law enforcement agency is responsible for all legal fees.
Multiple Crimes
Specifies that for certain multiple crimes of violence, convicted individuals must receive multiple mandatory sentences and not be able to plead out to a single crime.
Here is a synopsis of what was passed and what should be signed by the Governer of Ohio today...
http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/3990/83/
What does SB 184 Mean to You?
Written by Daniel White
Thursday, 29 May 2008
Now that Sub SB 184 has passed the Ohio legislature and is on its way to Governor Ted Strickland (who has said he supports the legislation), many Ohioans are now wondering exactly how the changes will affect them in roughly three months when they will go into law.
With that in mind, I'd like to present a layman's analysis in plain English. Before that, though, I'd like to offer my sincere thanks and appreciation to the organizations and individuals who worked so hard to get these important fixes passed.
First and foremost, thank you to Senator Buehrer for sponsoring the legislation, and to all of the legislators who signed on as co-sponsors, supported, and voted for the bill. I also extend thanks to those gun rights organizations whose members presented testimony (especially Gary Witt who testified on behalf of OFCC), made phone calls, wrote letters, and sent emails. This includes members of Ohioans For Concealed Carry and our forums, the National Rifle Association, NRA Institute for Legislative Action, Ohio Rifle and Pistol Association, Buckeye Firearms Association, Peoples Rights Organization, numerous bloggers and their readership, and any other gun rights activist who participated in the process.
Below is my interpretation of the bill. It is in no way intended to be construed as legal advice or a professional interpretation. I encourage you to read the bill yourself.
Tort Reform
Bars criminal offenders or their attorneys from recovering damages for injuries they receive while engaged in specified criminal acts even if not charged.
Castle Doctrine
Removes the duty to retreat from a criminal attack before using force to defend yourself or another if you are lawfully in a residence or vehicle (vehicle must be your own or that of an immediate family member). In such situations, the burden of proof that an act was not self defense falls on the prosecution provided the defender was lawfully in the residence or vehicle and the attacker was not.
LEO Notification
Reduces the penalty for failure to notify a LEO that you have a CHL if the officer knows you have one to a minor misdemeanor (for example, you are stopped in a motor vehicle that is registered to you and the officer runs your plates). Note that this does not relieve you of the duty to inform, only reduces the penalty if you don't.
Class D
The Class D liquor permit restrictions were altered. Rooms are no longer off limits for "dispensing", only for rooms in which a Class D has been issued where alcohol is being consumed. An exception was added for retail stores provided the CHL holder was not consuming. An example would be grocery stored conducting a wine tasting. An exception was also added for the holder of the Class D license for any establishment provided the Class D holder has a CHL and is not consuming alcohol.
Picking Up or Dropping Off at School
Decriminalized ccw in a school safety zone while immediately in the process of picking up or dropping off kids at school provided the CHL holder remains in the vehicle.
Sealed Records
If a past criminal conviction has been sealed or expunged or relief from disability granted by a judge, those records are not to be used as grounds for denial for a CHL.
Renewals
When renewing a CHL, you are no longer required to bring a color photograph or resubmit fingerprints. For first time renewals, evidence of meeting the educational requirements are no longer required. For subsequent renewals, a written test does not need to be taken, only a demonstration of range competency.
Public Buildings
Only government buildings denoted in the law are off limits, as well as those buildings or parts of buildings owned or leased by the government of Ohio, or a political subdivision of Ohio (county or local governments, for example), where employees of the government regularly are present for the purpose of performing their official duties as employees of the state or political subdivision. It specifically excludes buildings used primarily as a shelter, restroom, parking facility for motor vehicles, or rest facility.
Homeowner's Rights
You are not required to have a CHL to lawfully carry concealed in your own home.
Tenant's Rights
Landlords cannot deny or restrict tenants who have a CHL, or guests with a CHL while the tenant is present, their right to keep and bear arms.
Parking Lots
If you knowingly violate a prohibition against firearms in a private parking lot or parking facility, it is a civil trespass issue, not a criminal trespass (provided you are not in violation of other laws).
Retired Peace Officers
The firearms requalification period for retired peace officers was extended from one to five years.
Motor Vehicle Transport
Unloaded firearms at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle with a barrel at least eighteen inches in length do not need to be transported in a closed case or secured in a rack provided they are in plain sight. CHL holders can transport a loaded firearm in an unlocked (but closed) glove compartment or vehicle console.
Unloaded Defined
An unloaded firearm is defined as having no ammunition in the firearm and no ammunition loaded into a magazine or speed loader that may be used with the firearm in question and that is located anywhere within the vehicle in question, without regard to where ammunition otherwise is located within the vehicle. What this means is don’t have any magazines or speed loaders loaded in the vehicle
Firearms Confiscations and Surrenders
If a firearm is confiscated or surrendered to police, they must take steps to track ownership so it can be returned in the same condition it was in when taken into custody. If a firearm is not returned and a court orders the return, the law enforcement agency is responsible for all legal fees.
Multiple Crimes
Specifies that for certain multiple crimes of violence, convicted individuals must receive multiple mandatory sentences and not be able to plead out to a single crime.