Getting non-resident permits from other states

[drw]

Use your Texas CHL paperwork to obtain another state's license immediately when you complete the class. I used mine to obtain a Florida, Virginia, and Pennsylvania. All are good here in Texas. This should be a sticky on this forum.

I recently took Charles' Utah CFP class and will be sending in the paperwork for that.

How did you obtain a VA, FL, and PA permit?

It would be handy to have a series of threads where each state is discussed at length, and the information put in a step-by-step easy to follow format for the benefit of everyone who wants to get a permit from any of the various states.

Anygun: since you already have these three states, perhaps you might be willing to start 3 new threads (one for each state) in which you outline in simple form what you had to do in order to obtain those permits?

Or, maybe we don't want to promote to the general public how to obtain a non-resident permit? In which case, it would be advantageous (if disagreeable) to leave the whole process as obfuscated as it is now.

[DoubleJ]

to get a Pennsylvannia license, go to this thread here

[anygunanywhere]

One of the best current sites is:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

They have the page ALL US CCW LINK

http://www.handgunlaw.us/state-link.htm

If you click on Florida it takes you to their website where you can obtain all of the necessary information for those fine folks who work for Commissioner Charles Bronson (I love that!) to send you a Florida license.

I did not look at Virginia but I assume it is still easy because I did it several years ago.

I will probably let my PA and VA lapse sinice they do nothing for me. I might go for the Utah one of these days.

Have fun!

Anygunanywhere

[DoubleJ]

Collect'em all, they're like baseball cards!!!

[anygunanywhere]

to get a Pennsylvannia license, go to this thread here

The PA license is easy to obtain. Sort of like sending in two cereal box-tops for a secret decoder ring.

Anygunanywhere

[DoubleJ]

I thought a CHL was a secret decoder ring! let's us into the 2A clubhouse...

[anygunanywhere]

Collect'em all, they're like baseball cards!!!

IMHO, pursuing another course of action, the old plan B, is much better than annoying the DPS office and *COUGH* whining about the length of time it is taking to obtain the Texas CHL. No offense to you newbies waiting on your licenses. I just think you could do more if you direct your efforts elsewhere.

My FL took less than 90 days even when I had to submit a second set of prints because the FBI turned my first set down. Commissioner Bronson's staff sent me a letter telling me that even if the FBI denied my prints the second time they would still issue my license within the 90 day window!! I used a copy of my Texas CHL range test to certify for the FL license.

I can't recall if Virginia needed a range test. Virginia took awhile and I do not recall why. Must be the half-zheimers.

Anygunanywhere

[hirundo82]

I can't recall if Virginia needed a range test. Virginia took awhile and I do not recall why. Must be the half-zheimers.

Anygunanywhere

I'm in the process of obtaining a nonresident Virginia permit since I visit family there a couple of times a year and I want to be in compliance with the ATF's interpretation of federal law--the ATF interprets the permit exception to The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1995 to only apply to those who hold a permit issued by the state where the school is located (ie they say reciprocity agreements between states do not count). Although the GFSZ Act of 1995 would likely be struck down by SCOTUS again (as the 1990 version was in Lopez v. US), I can't afford to be the test case.

Anyhow, last week I emailed nonrespermit@vsp.virginia.gov, and the application packet showed up in my mailbox 3 days later. There is a training requirement but most any training should satisfy it:

• Completing a hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries or a similar agency of another state.
  Completing any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course.
  Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or the Department of Criminal Justice Services or a similar agency of another state.
  Completing any law-enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement.
  Presenting evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition approved by the Department of State Police or current military service or proof of an honorable discharge from any branch of the armed services.
  Obtaining or previously having held a license to carry a firearm in this Commonwealth or a locality thereof, unless such license has been revoked for cause.
  Completing any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor.
  Completing any governmental police agency firearms training course and qualifying to carry a firearm in the course of normal police duties.
  Completing any other firearms training that the Virginia Department of State Police deems adequate.

I'm enclosing a copy of the "Handgun Training Certificate" I got at the end of my CHL class (a "firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or the Department of Criminal Justice Services or a similar agency of another state").

VSP requires a set of fingerprints for initial licensure only.

There is a statutory 45-day limit for VA to issue or deny your permit, although I'm unsure whether that applies to non-res permits as well.

[LSU_nonleg]

(Sorry for digging up old posts, people, but it just proves I'm reading before I start asking questions!)

Collect'em all, they're like baseball cards!!!

IMHO, pursuing another course of action, the old plan B, is much better than annoying the DPS office and *COUGH* whining about the length of time it is taking to obtain the Texas CHL. No offense to you newbies waiting on your licenses. I just think you could do more if you direct your efforts elsewhere.

Ok, so what I'm reading here is that if you are a Texas resident, and in possession of a non resident license from a state from which Texas has reciprocity, you can carry even without a Texas permit?

This would be a first if confirmed, but much appreciated during my move!

[anygunanywhere]

Correctamundo.

Texs residents can carry legally in Texas with another reciprocal state's non-resident permit even if you do not have a Texas permit. Folks do it all the time.

Anygunanywhere

[DoubleJ]

Correctamundo.

Anygunanywhere

You used to watch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, too, huh?

[anygunanywhere]

Correctamundo.

Anygunanywhere

You used to watch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, too, huh?

Happy Days. The Fonz.

Anygunanywhere

[brianko]

I'm in the process of obtaining a nonresident Virginia permit since I visit family there a couple of times a year and I want to be in compliance with the ATF's interpretation of federal law--the ATF interprets the permit exception to The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1995 to only apply to those who hold a permit issued by the state where the school is located (ie they say reciprocity agreements between states do not count). Although the GFSZ Act of 1995 would likely be struck down by SCOTUS again (as the 1990 version was in Lopez v. US), I can't afford to be the test case.

Be aware that there is a burden on the prosecutor's behalf to prove that the firearm "has moved in or otherwise affects interstate commerce." A previous poster in another thread posted some legal cites that he believes makes it easy for the government to prove that a firearm "has moved" in interstate commerce (simply by way of being shipped from manufacturer). From my readings on the background of this, I don't believe this applies backwards in time to every individual component of said firearm that might have crossed state lines, but rather applies to how the firearm arrived at the location it was in when it was confiscated. Then again, IANAL, and like you, I'd rather not be the test case. But as I stated previously, I'm not going to lose sleep over this.

[hirundo82]

Be aware that there is a burden on the prosecutor's behalf to prove that the firearm "has moved in or otherwise affects interstate commerce." A previous poster in another thread posted some legal cites that he believes makes it easy for the government to prove that a firearm "has moved" in interstate commerce (simply by way of being shipped from manufacturer). From my readings on the background of this, I don't believe this applies backwards in time to every individual component of said firearm that might have crossed state lines, but rather applies to how the firearm arrived at the location it was in when it was confiscated. Then again, IANAL, and like you, I'd rather not be the test case. But as I stated previously, I'm not going to lose sleep over this.

I also don't worry too much about violating the GFSZA as any violation of the Act by an otherwise law-abiding gun owner would be unlikely to be prosecuted as it would have a good chance of being overturned under US v. Lopez (and there may also now be a challenge under Heller v. DC), and no prosecutor likes to have a case overturned. I do like to be on the right side of the law whenever possible though, and getting a non-resident permit from the state I visit most often (Virginia) is a relatively painless step as VA is shall-issue.

However, in my case (and in most I would imagine) it would be extremely simple for the prosecutor to prove that the gun had moved in interstate commerce. I'm a Texas resident and have purchased all of the guns I own in Texas, most from FFLs. If I take one of those firearms to another state and carry it there, I have moved that firearm in interstate commerce. This could be verified by doing a trace on the serial number and showing that it was purchased by me from a dealer in a state other than the one where I carried it.