Texas State again

[RPB]

http://star.txstate.edu/content/experts ... aled-carry" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Experts voice concerns about concealed carry
Mar 3 2011 - 12:46am | Annie Schultz

http://star.txstate.edu/content/letter- ... t-firearms" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Letter to the Editor: Faculty member voices concerns about firearms
Mar 1 2011 - 10:47pm | Susan Hanson

[kalipsocs]

I don't expect any reasoned argument from an op ed article OR a professor at any university frankly. Hopefully our legislator has more common sense than these "intellectuals". Little do they know they walk around people with guns everyday and not a one of them loses their mind all the sudden and goes on a killing rampage. Just makes me want to especially since it is my alma matter

[srothstein]

I do expect reasoned argument from a professor, and from most college students. One of the things they are supposed to be taught (and was stressed in my classes) is critical thinking. With that in mind, I posted the following reply to the English professor's article int he comments:

One of the things I have learned during my studies at Texas State is to be very critical in my thinking. When someone states something, ask for his evidence. We do not seem to be getting critical thinking from very many on this subject.

So, I have an unusual idea for Texas State University. We have a very good criminal justice program here. We have one of only 35 doctoral level criminal justice programs in the United States. This means we have some very good (some of the best in the field) instructors who can do research. If we do not have the evidence now, either for or against, we should be able to get it.

So, lets ask some of the criminal justice professors what they think and why. I have done so. Some have tried to do research in this field. They are unable to get definitive answers on whether allowing a person with a CHL to carry on campus is safe or not. The latest studies from the Center for Disease Control said there was not a provable link between gun control laws and crime.

The State of Utah already allows properly licensed people to carry their weapons on campus. In several years of experience, they have not had any incidents. This seems to indicate that it is not a danger, though I will stipulate that it is not conclusive at this time. The same is true of the colleges in Colorado that have allowed this to happen. In Texas, Harrold school district has allowed people with a CHL to carry on their campuses and not had a single problem yet. Granted that Harrold might not be applicable to this discussion since most high school students would not qualify for a CHL due to their age.

And Texas State University has not had a problem, even though it has students that legally carry their weapons in class. True, these students are police officers, but carrying a police badge does not make them any more or less sane than anyone else. The evidence seems to indicate that the danger many people fear does not become reality. If this is true, why should we not allow properly licensed students and faculty the right to defend themselves from the admittedly few criminals that come on campus. It does not have to be a mass shooter to justify self-defense and we have reports of crime on campus all the time.

[RPB]

Good logical writin' Steve.

[Oldgringo]

Good letter, Steve!

The following scenario was posed under another thread and didn't get a bite. This situation could become reality. What say you if, and when, it does?

Let's assume that CHL Campus Carry passes in the legislature and the Goober signs the bill into law. Some campuses will allow CHL carry and some won't.

Education is a business. The student is now faced with a similar decision as are all CH licensees when it comes to 30.06 signs. Do you want to do business with a business that would deny you your 2A RKBA or will you take your business elsewhere?

[baldeagle]

Good letter, Steve!

The following scenario was posed under another thread and didn't get a bite. This situation could become reality. What say you if, and when, it does?

Let's assume that CHL Campus Carry passes in the legislature and the Goober signs the bill into law. Some campuses will allow CHL carry and some won't.

Education is a business. The student is now faced with a similar decision as are all CH licensees when it comes to 30.06 signs. Do you want to do business with a business that would deny you your 2A RKBA or will you take your business elsewhere?

I read just yesterday about a Virginia Tech engineering student who transferred to a school that allows campus carry.

[RPB]

Good letter, Steve!

The following scenario was posed under another thread and didn't get a bite. This situation could become reality. What say you if, and when, it does?

Let's assume that CHL Campus Carry passes in the legislature and the Goober signs the bill into law. Some campuses will allow CHL carry and some won't.

Education is a business. The student is now faced with a similar decision as are all CH licensees when it comes to 30.06 signs. Do you want to do business with a business that would deny you your 2A RKBA or will you take your business elsewhere?

I read just yesterday about a Virginia Tech engineering student who transferred to a school that allows campus carry.

I think I read posts from him, If it's the same guy, he's from Texas, was attending VT, transferred to a school which treats people as adults. Nickname was TexasMike or something IIRC.

[Oldgringo]

Good letter, Steve!

The following scenario was posed under another thread and didn't get a bite. This situation could become reality. What say you if, and when, it does?

Let's assume that CHL Campus Carry passes in the legislature and the Goober signs the bill into law. Some campuses will allow CHL carry and some won't.

Education is a business. The student is now faced with a similar decision as are all CH licensees when it comes to 30.06 signs. Do you want to do business with a business that would deny you your 2A RKBA or will you take your business elsewhere?

I read just yesterday about a Virginia Tech engineering student who transferred to a school that allows campus carry.

I think I read posts from him, If it's the same guy, he's from Texas, was attending VT, transferred to a school which treats people as adults. Nickname was TexasMike or something IIRC.

One more will make two...out of state.

This is where the rubber meets the road. What will the Texas student proponents of campus carry do if their chosen campus maintains its "no gun" policy?

[srothstein]

Good letter, Steve!

The following scenario was posed under another thread and didn't get a bite. This situation could become reality. What say you if, and when, it does?

Let's assume that CHL Campus Carry passes in the legislature and the Goober signs the bill into law. Some campuses will allow CHL carry and some won't.

Education is a business. The student is now faced with a similar decision as are all CH licensees when it comes to 30.06 signs. Do you want to do business with a business that would deny you your 2A RKBA or will you take your business elsewhere?

I would have to look at the situation very carefully. First, as I understand the proposed law, schools will not really have a choice (well, public schools won't - some bills allow private universities to have a choice). If I am still at Texas State and they try to bar CHL's, I will examine the law carefully to force them to. I would consider changing schools also, even if it requires a change in major. I cannot see moving to Huntsville at this time (Sam Houston is the only other doctoral program in Texas in criminal justice) but Our Lady of of the Lake in San Antonio has a very good doctoral program in leadership.

My daughters currently attend Lamar University and Texas State, with the third daughter starting at Sul Ross (probably) in August. I know the oldest would also be trying to get Texas State to allow on campus carry (she is the Army Vet). The second doesn't care for guns and would not care either way on this issue (not anti-gun, just does not care either way) so Lamar could ban and she would not see it as a problem.

God help Sul Ross though if they did not. My third daughter is the kind who thinks the Earth revolves around her and she likes to shoot. She can't wait until she is 21 to get her CHL and is really interested in the two lawsuits in Lubbock. She would really see it as a problem and sees transferring as the wrong answer. She is the one I said would be president if any of my children ever were, in jail if any of my children ever were, and if any president ever went to jail I am doubly sure it would be her. She thinks her word is law unto itself and has acted that way since she was about 18 months old. I don't think the school would stand a chance on disagreeing with her.

And thinking about it, I am not sure transferring is the right answer either. I might stay and try to fight the school to force it to change, depending on the exact wording of the law. I know I could make that fight now under the current law, but I don't think I stand a real decent chance of winning yet. Witht he laws that are proposed, I would be more willing to make the fight as I think I would stand a better chance of winning.

[Oldgringo]

Good letter, Steve!

The following scenario was posed under another thread and didn't get a bite. This situation could become reality. What say you if, and when, it does?

Let's assume that CHL Campus Carry passes in the legislature and the Goober signs the bill into law. Some campuses will allow CHL carry and some won't.

Education is a business. The student is now faced with a similar decision as are all CH licensees when it comes to 30.06 signs. Do you want to do business with a business that would deny you your 2A RKBA or will you take your business elsewhere?

I would have to look at the situation very carefully. First, as I understand the proposed law, schools will not really have a choice (well, public schools won't - some bills allow private universities to have a choice). If I am still at Texas State and they try to bar CHL's, I will examine the law carefully to force them to. I would consider changing schools also, even if it requires a change in major. I cannot see moving to Huntsville at this time (Sam Houston is the only other doctoral program in Texas in criminal justice) but Our Lady of of the Lake in San Antonio has a very good doctoral program in leadership.

My daughters currently attend Lamar University and Texas State, with the third daughter starting at Sul Ross (probably) in August. I know the oldest would also be trying to get Texas State to allow on campus carry (she is the Army Vet). The second doesn't care for guns and would not care either way on this issue (not anti-gun, just does not care either way) so Lamar could ban and she would not see it as a problem.

God help Sul Ross though if they did not. My third daughter is the kind who thinks the Earth revolves around her and she likes to shoot. She can't wait until she is 21 to get her CHL and is really interested in the two lawsuits in Lubbock. She would really see it as a problem and sees transferring as the wrong answer. She is the one I said would be president if any of my children ever were, in jail if any of my children ever were, and if any president ever went to jail I am doubly sure it would be her. She thinks her word is law unto itself and has acted that way since she was about 18 months old. I don't think the school would stand a chance on disagreeing with her.

And thinking about it, I am not sure transferring is the right answer either. I might stay and try to fight the school to force it to change, depending on the exact wording of the law. I know I could make that fight now under the current law, but I don't think I stand a real decent chance of winning yet. Witht he laws that are proposed, I would be more willing to make the fight as I think I would stand a better chance of winning.

Thank you. Should it (all/any of it) ever come to pass, this would/could be a big question in a prospective student and their benefactors' minds.

[RPB]

I just had a thought.

This also relates to that dumb "amendment to the bill allowing each university to vote on whether they want to have campus carry or not" viewtopic.php?f=90&t=42848" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Most state supported colleges will allow seniors over 55 years old (or 65) to audit classes free.
If the "illegallity" is removed, but "policies" allowed ... I guess they can expel me ..... every semester.
Wouldn't cost me anything.
(Of course they'd never know they needed to expel me .... "concealed" )

Ran across this :
They worry about "College age" students with licenses?
College Linked Retirement Communities
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http://chicagofree.info/2010/08/06/free ... -retirees/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Forget Tuition: How Retirees Can Attend College for Free
A look at universities that offer free or low-cost classes
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Might be good for some of us older people with too much time on our retired hands, could be fun in more ways than one instead of doing puzzles to keep the mind sharp .