How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuses?

[RPB]

Charles, let me know if you need me to do any leg work on those reports from UT-PanAm, UT Brownsville, TSTC Harlingen or South Texas College.

I note that College Police Dept sites "alerts" lists/summaries create a more realistic CURRENT picture than outdated "glossed over" Cleary reports

Especially related to vehicular burglaries .... guns stored in cars is what they want?

[GaryAdrian]

I am here at the University of Houston and if you need any information from the main campus, let me know and I'll see what I can do. My wife is has good relationships with the UHPD Chief.

[J.R.@A&M]

My plan is to launch an entire educational series on "Personal Security on Campus" and it will focus more on the individual student's security, rather than on mass murders on campus. Preventing a Virginia Tech on a Texas campus is a legitimate goal and passing "campus-carry" would lessen the possibility, but I believe the real focus needs to be on the individual like your daughter walking alone.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Also include personal security around the campus and hiking/biking/bussing to campus. All of those are affected by the stinkin' restriction on campus buildings.

For that matter, we ought to document the percent of off-campus students and staff hike, bike, or (like John Woods) ride the bus to campus.

[Hoi Polloi]

Coming in 2013:

"The Student Protection Act"

Support the SPA! Heck... can we make it a 'Pro Choice' argument?

Yes!

Extending handgun coverage, anything about handguns in classrooms, etc is still feeding right in to their fear. This is exactly the kind of terminology that is needed for this demographic to understand what is really being addressed.

[OldCannon]

Sadly, I think the only thing that will turn the tide is an on-campus event similar to Luby's.

I my meanest, most grouchy, hateful days, I still wouldn't wish that experience on anybody.

[Reloader]

It still amazes me that the "intelligent" Students are against concealed carry, but will do nothing to prevent or prosecute rapists and attackers, just "accept" what the criminals want to do..They will give in gladly , but I WON"T!!!

[Jasonw560]

Coming in 2013:

"The Student Protection Act"

Support the SPA! Heck... can we make it a 'Pro Choice' argument?

Yes!

Extending handgun coverage, anything about handguns in classrooms, etc is still feeding right in to their fear. This is exactly the kind of terminology that is needed for this demographic to understand what is really being addressed.

advocate.

Why not pepper spray? Or one of those keychain thingies? A rape whistle? Call the campus police? Thaere are better alternatives than a Clint Eastwood wanna be shooting up the place.

Okay....back to reality for me now. That was painful...

[Jasonw560]

Charles, is there a way you can make a "Members Only" part of the forum that is away from prying eyes?

I am on another board with this feature. I think it might be beneficial to move this to some place like that.

[chasfm11]

It still amazes me that the "intelligent" Students are against concealed carry, but will do nothing to prevent or prosecute rapists and attackers, just "accept" what the criminals want to do..They will give in gladly , but I WON"T!!!

This is the prevalent attitude in the UK and some other EU States. It is the attitude that both sets of politicians seem to want to foster in the US, too. It has nothing to do with crime and everything to do with submission to the State.

I'm convinced that is why gun owners and gun rights advocates are constantly under siege. Unfortunately, from a defensive position, it is hard to mount a cohesive offense. Thank God for the NRA!. Without them, no one would have guns.

[Jasonw560]

I'll be sending Open Records Requests to numerous universities and I'll use those responses to . . . well let's just say I'll be using them. Passing campus-carry will require educating the general public and exposing lies.

Chas.

There's only one here who has the actual open records form.

UT-Brownsville: http://www.utb.edu/ba/Processes/Pages/OpenRecords.aspx

Here's UTPA's: http://www.utpa.edu/PublicInformationAct.pdf

TSTC address and policy: http://www.harlingen.tstc.edu/welcome/openrecords.aspx

South Texas College: Office of the President. http://admin.southtexascollege.edu/pres ... ntact.html She is the holder of all the public records.

[terryg]

One thing about crime alerts and reports, however, is that to the liberal mind - they still will not justify the use of a gun for self defense. For example, here is a recent crime alert issued to members of our campus community (certain details removed):

At approximately xxx, a student from xxx reported that he had been robbed while on the xxx campus last evening between xxx and xxx. The student stated that he was walking back to his vehicle, parked in the xxx parking lot, by way of the sidewalk on the xxx. As he neared the west end of the sidewalk, he was approached by two males, the shorter of whom brandished a firearm and robbed him of his cell phone and wallet. The suspects walked east towards Entrance xxx as the victim fled to his vehicle parked in the xxx lot. The xxx student was not injured.
The suspects are described as black males. The shorter is described as xxx. The taller is described as xxx. The firearm, displayed by the shorter suspect, may be a small semi-automatic weapon.
If you have any information that might be of help in this investigation please contact xxx.
Please be alert and aware of your surroundings. Try to travel in pairs whenever possible and use the university’s security escort service.

Now, to a liberal academic elite, this scenario would have only been made worse by the presence of another handgun. In their minds, the situation would have "only escalated - potentially resulting in the injury and/or the loss of life".

So, unless the details of the crime are such that the benefits of the victim having a handgun in that particular situation are undeniable; such as those surrounding the rape of Amanda Collins; the crime statistics and details won't mean a thing. Trust me, I have debated with many of them several times. "Guns during a crime only make a bad situation worse." "You are more likely to be shot with your own gun than successfully use it for defense." and other non-sense.

[BrianSW99]

Charles, is there a way you can make a "Members Only" part of the forum that is away from prying eyes?

I am on another board with this feature. I think it might be beneficial to move this to some place like that.

Unless you have some way of vetting each person who has access to it, I don't think that would keep the other camp out. It would, however, keep it from getting indexed by Google and the like.

[Jasonw560]

Charles, is there a way you can make a "Members Only" part of the forum that is away from prying eyes?

I am on another board with this feature. I think it might be beneficial to move this to some place like that.

Unless you have some way of vetting each person who has access to it, I don't think that would keep the other camp out. It would, however, keep it from getting indexed by Google and the like.

Let me ask the owner of the other board how it works.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Charles, is there a way you can make a "Members Only" part of the forum that is away from prying eyes?

I am on another board with this feature. I think it might be beneficial to move this to some place like that.

Unless you have some way of vetting each person who has access to it, I don't think that would keep the other camp out. It would, however, keep it from getting indexed by Google and the like.

Let me ask the owner of the other board how it works.

Brian is right; there's no way to police it. Even if we went to the extreme of requiring some form of Administrative approval of all new Members, there's no way for us to know who's in the anti-gun camp. I can easily start a private sub-forum and add people to a formal "group" that can access it, but the vetting process still would not be workable.

It's a great idea for "political planning" but it's not workable with a group our size where we don't know everyone by name.

Chas.

[C-dub]

Sadly, I think the only thing that will turn the tide is an on-campus event similar to Luby's.

I my meanest, most grouchy, hateful days, I still wouldn't wish that experience on anybody.

Unfortunately, we already have. Columbine and Virginia Tech. The anti's still think the police can protect everyone. IMHO, this all goes back to the unwillingness to accept personal responsibility for anything. The hardcore liberal believes he can do no wrong and that someone else, be it society or parents or whoever, is always to blame. Someone made them bad. They didn't make that decision on their own. Someone pushed them by not giving them a choice, chance, or whatever.

I'm not a psychologist or anything, but I think an anti-gun person just can't handle rational logical arguments when it comes to this subject. When presented with unarguable points I think they just begin to shut down mentally and then resort to rhetoric and personal attacks.

Take my wife for example. She is conservative, but until after our daughter was born was vehemently against having a gun in the house. I'll also have to admit that I never pushed the issue before and was not really a gun person anyway. After a very short discussion of different scenarios and police responses she gave the okay for me to get my first gun. Within only a couple of months she extrapolated her thinking to me getting a CHL and hasn't looked back. However, she's not a liberal. This awakening is much more difficult if not impossible for a die-hard liberal.