How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuses?

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Re: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuse

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Jasonw560 wrote:
RPB wrote:emotion fear? 2 can play that game ...

This was one of my more thought provoking tweets on Twitter


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Should give some legislators a facepalm "What did we do?"
Gunvault would have a new niche. Gun safes for bikes.

Would have to be a pretty good sized safe, to put a bike in it? ;-)
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Yep. But the gun would be safe.
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Re: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuse

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I'm thinking just use the Tupperware box the Glock came in (concealed) with the cable run through both wheels frame and the hole in the Tupperware should be legal, even if the GLOCK sticker left on the box :smilelol5: "rlol"

Darn tempting to just lock an empty Glock box that way to make a point.

just following the law :rules:

Should raise some eyebrows on campus :lol:


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Oldgringo wrote:I see your point; however, we should leave no student, forum member or tution paying parent behind.

Just sayin'...
I don't see an age limit in the campus carry bills. Not the one Ogden, Lucio and Gallegos blocked in the senate. Not the one Straus and Hunter blocked in the house. Not even in the half-neutered one that Wentworth carried through the Senate and Straus killed with POO.
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RHenriksen wrote:
Jasonw560 wrote:Campus Safety Act?

Takes the idea of the students carrying away, and puts emphasis on the campus safer for individuals.

Or the CHL Extension Act?

That's more to the point of what we want, but don't know if it's innocuous enough. Perhaps just the "License Extension Act". That could be any license.
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flintknapper wrote:
UpTheIrons wrote:
RHenriksen wrote:Coming in 2013:

"The Student Protection Act"
No! No! No! We CANNOT frame the discussion this way. I liked the term last night when I read this, but woke up this morning with a changed mind. Anything that is firearm related and has the word "student" in it will be turned against us.

Remember, the whole argument was framed by the antis thusly: "They want to GIVE STUDENTS GUNS!" :willynilly:

It mattered not how we politely and gently corrected their misunderstandings, the antis wailing about the NRA handing out "assault weapons" (sic) to drunk college freshmen on the way to a kegger in a frat house was what people heard - not the correct explanation of the law.

Sure, some heard it, but the damage was done. The media picked up the trope and ran with it. It is going to take someone smarter than me to come up with a semantic title that is going to be plain vanilla enough, yet get the point across correctly.


Thank you!

I have "cringed" all along at the use of the terms "Campus Carry/Student"... and the notion that it would allow STUDENT'S to carry a firearm. When you do this, you automatically set yourself up for an explanation.

The bill was about allowing a PERSON who ALREADY has a CHL to extend that ability to protect themselves to the campus. The idea that "students" in general would be allowed to carry was erroneously fostered and spread by the anti's and media. They did so gleefully..and with great effect.

Put plainly, we shot ourselves in the foot...from the get-go.

The "emotion/fear" card WILL be played again....when a bill is introduced next session, so PLEASE.........!!!!!, lets start approaching this in a smarter fashion.
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Start a national campaign of students and faculty for CC involving calling university police to escort us EVERYWHERE on campus. Every time you have to go from car to building, building to building, to your office, financial aid, dean, EVERYWHERE. If we can't defend ourselves, make them do it (since they're supposedly more qualified to do that). Culminate the movement with an event having all students and faculty for campus carry calling the UPD for escort at the same time. Show them the futility. Just an idea I had.
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You've got a point there... focus on the cost of real protection (police escorts, limited access buildings, screeners, metal detectors, etc. Then compare that to private self-protection.
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packingmusician wrote:Start a national campaign of students and faculty for CC involving calling university police to escort us EVERYWHERE on campus. Every time you have to go from car to building, building to building, to your office, financial aid, dean, EVERYWHERE. If we can't defend ourselves, make them do it (since they're supposedly more qualified to do that). Culminate the movement with an event having all students and faculty for campus carry calling the UPD for escort at the same time. Show them the futility. Just an idea I had.
Brilliant idea!! How do we turn that into real numbers to show the futility? I guess the police departments keep a record of everyone they escort.
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I wonder how many anti-s, right now, are writing all of this down, plotting to subvert this whole thing.
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Photo of Ellis on a bicycle
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Solution for #CHL @Bikeriders Tupperware box Glocks come in have a hole the bicycle lock cable fits #gunsoncampus #campuscarry #txlege

We really need to use technology more next time (I see UT anti-gun girls flirting w/ Representatives on Twitter while in session...
Guess that's called lobbying nowadays. ) :roll:
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He needs a bigger helmet...or a smaller head.
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I didn't want to hi-jack this thread, but I thought about positive types of education about guns in general and posted some thoughts and something that is already being done here:

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While I don't oppose an education campaign stating facts and statistics, I don't think it will have any effect on the anti's and general public. Their opposition to guns comes from an emotional reaction and no amount of facts or statistics will make them change their minds, and it might even make them hold on to their emotional beliefs even more. Just look at liberals, no matter how much you show them that their policies don't work, the dig even more. We spend billions on _______ (insert whatever liberal cause here) and the problem gets worse. Their answer, "we did not spend enough". It is all emotions and no matter how many facts you can produce, they will not change their minds. The "forcing CHL's to leave their guns in their cars/bicycles where they can be stolen by thieves" argument is not going to do any good. Their response, "why do they need to have guns at all, if they didn't have guns they would not have to worry about them being stolen".

What we need it to combat emotion with emotion. Just like, the Luby tragedy and Suzanna Gratia Hupp's testimony were key in passing CHL in Texas, we need an Amanda Collins and others like her to spearhead the emotions counter campaign.

A third approach is to hit the universities where they hurt, the pocketbook. Have every student that gets assaulted, raped, robbed, etc file lawsuits against the universities and the university presidents for failing to provide protection or failure to allow for them to defend themselves. I know victim students don't have the money to attempt to sue the university, but maybe we can talk some lawyers to take the cases pro bono. If you force universities to spend millions and millions of dollars in more and more security ( a cop in every corner/building, metal detectors, etc) they might change their minds about opposing CHL's on campus. Specially if liability immunity is offered with the bill.

So, in my opinion, we need a 3 prong attack plan:

1. Education (this will be more for university presidents and lawmakers since I believe it will have minimal impact on the general public)

2. Get real victims to testify. People like Amanda Collins, Suzanna Gratia Hupp and specially victims that were successful in defending themselves with the use of a firearm.

3. Hit them where it hurts, the pocketbook by initiating lawsuits against universities that do not allow students to defend themselves.

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Since the antis are powered by emotion and fear we need to give them that!

Setup on campus stands with Live feeds (plasma TV or something) of the previous days campus and near campus crimes around the nation. Have one day be rape day, another be assault day, theft day,etc... On a neighboring screen show a feed of every self defense case where a gun helped save the victims life. Each campus with a students for concealed carry group can head up these stands.

This will take some labor to compile the feeds every day but if students really saw how vulnerable they were on a daily basis things might change.

Most students are fresh out of the suburban bubble wrap. They just don't understand that bad things can actually happen to them. They also watch way too much TV witch only depicts guns as the source of all evil.


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