Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

[Oldgringo]

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There are wars going on now and bump-stocks aren't even on the radar. Attacking Trump, Republicans and NRA helps the enemy.
Chas.

I believe Chas. sees/knows a bigger picture than you and I. Bump stocks and "high capacity" magazines are not your, my or your progeny's biggest concern. The bigger concern is our country, the country we have known and love.

God bless America and Texas , if you please?

Do your best, Chas.

[bblhd672]

This gun stuff should be ignored and people focus on fatherless homes, nasty entertainment that glorifies psycho behavior and removal of God from our society

Well, we both know the problem isn’t guns. The left isn’t willing to acknowledge that the points you make are valid, they use them as an excuse to belittle you as deplorable for clinging to guns and religion.

I don’t want to compromise an inch and haven’t been happy about the bump stock stuff since Las Vegas. But bump stocks are a novelty, a gimmick on a tool, good for wasting ammo and nothing else.

You’re in NE Louisiana, that’s where I’m from and have lots of family and friends still there. None of them are going to hand over their guns to the government. I trust you feel the same way. Bump stocks are not worth expending political capital on. The Democrats proposed semi-auto weapon and greater than 10 round magazine ban is worth every bit of political capital in the bank. That’s what we need to ensure ends up in a dumpster in DC.

[SQLGeek]

My biggest concern with a bump stock ban would be the law being worded in an ambiguous manner that the ATF could interpret a wide variety of match triggers and the like to be illegal. If we could find a way around that AND gain the Hearing Protection Act in the process, I'd gladly be OK with that compromise. That said, I'll keep dreaming.

I just hate the idea of giving up another sacrificial lamb (21+ for long arms, bump stocks, etc) to appease the leviathan that cajoles us "Why won't you just compromise?" The only thing we seem to gain is a little more time before they demand something else.

[Oldgringo]

"....the law being worded in an ambiguous manner...."
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Congress makes laws. What our country needs is TERM LIMITS on congress and federal judges. We DO NOT need career politicians whose primary concern is being re-elected OR who are seated for LIFE.

Our forefathers who so gallantly penned our Second Amendment really screwed the the pooch on the federal judge thinghy.

[RicoTX]

Once you give a dog a bone, he wants another bone.

Agree 100%!

Why give up anything. What's next? 20 or 30 round mags?
Are some of us willing to give those up too?
Because I'm not...and won't.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Once you give a dog a bone, he wants another bone.

Agree 100%!

Why give up anything. What's next? 20 or 30 round mags?
Are some of us willing to give those up too?
Because I'm not...and won't.

I'm so sick of buzz phrases. No one is "giving up" anything, but the reality is we could well see bump-stocks "taken away" because the votes are probably there. Wake up people and see what's happening!!!! Bloomberg and Hollywood are pouring money into this effort and the media is helping to the fullest extent. We've never had this level of opposition before, not ever. It's a campaign of lies and distortion, but it's very well funded and they are playing on the sympathy factor of kids getting killed.

If you really want to make a difference, then start recruiting NRA members every single day. The NRA better be 15 million strong soon, or this is only going to get worse.

Chas.

[Smokey613]

When the Democrats primary "ammuniton", racism fails they fall back to #2... "Think of the Children!" The sad truth is it has been a successful strategy thus far.

[K.Mooneyham]

Once you give a dog a bone, he wants another bone.

Agree 100%!

Why give up anything. What's next? 20 or 30 round mags?
Are some of us willing to give those up too?
Because I'm not...and won't.

I'm so sick of buzz phrases. No one is "giving up" anything, but the reality is we could well see bump-stocks "taken away" because the votes are probably there. Wake up people and see what's happening!!!! Bloomberg and Hollywood are pouring money into this effort and the media is helping to the fullest extent. We've never had this level of opposition before, not ever. It's a campaign of lies and distortion, but it's very well funded and they are playing on the sympathy factor of kids getting killed.

If you really want to make a difference, then start recruiting NRA members every single day. The NRA better be 15 million strong soon, or this is only going to get worse.

Chas.

Mr. Cotton, I really don't care much about bumpfire stocks. However, I am in the group who worries that they will use that term as a giant umbrella to stop simple modifications like match triggers, or even a different shaped trigger than the one the manufacturer installed at the factory. Besides joining pro-2A organizations such as the NRA, what specifically can we do as individuals to make sure that, if bumpfire stocks are banned, that it's limited in scope to those exact items, and those exact items only?

[bbhack]

I firmly believe the President is, once again, leading the Dumbocrats around by the nose. Remember DACA? He lead them around until they painted themselves into a corner by voting down a plan that would provide a path to citizenship. They're still wearing that black eye.

Good catch.

Trump offered way more than they were demanding, with those opponents strutting around like peacocks saying, "No wall, never". DACA legislation is dead for now. Their hand is weaker if they ever get back around to it. Government shutdown? They look like the empty suits they are. Trump knows what he is doing, although a lot of people don't think so.

The number Trump put out was bigger than the original DACA numbers, but his period of naturalization was WAY longer than any dem ever imagined. And everyone knows that the wall funding is not negotiable. In the future DACA will not be tied to the budget, because they already did the faceplant on that one. And they have to figure out how to tell their constituents that the wall funding is a necessary part of the deal. But tying the wall funding to DACA was just insurance that they would not continue in good faith. DACA and wall funding are not really tied together at all.

So, given his demonstrated skill with this issue, why would another issue be so much different?

It can be fun to game this out. 1) Offer more than is expected up front. 2) Tie something to the offer that is not acceptable to the opposition. 3) Taunt them with artificial deadlines. 4) When the deadline passes, taunt them with their inaction.

Or some such.

[Richbirdhunter]

Once you give a dog a bone, he wants another bone.

Agree 100%!

Why give up anything. What's next? 20 or 30 round mags?
Are some of us willing to give those up too?
Because I'm not...and won't.

I'm so sick of buzz phrases. No one is "giving up" anything, but the reality is we could well see bump-stocks "taken away" because the votes are probably there. Wake up people and see what's happening!!!! Bloomberg and Hollywood are pouring money into this effort and the media is helping to the fullest extent. We've never had this level of opposition before, not ever. It's a campaign of lies and distortion, but it's very well funded and they are playing on the sympathy factor of kids getting killed.

If you really want to make a difference, then start recruiting NRA members every single day. The NRA better be 15 million strong soon, or this is only going to get worse.

Chas.

Mr. Cotton, I really don't care much about bumpfire stocks. However, I am in the group who worries that they will use that term as a giant umbrella to stop simple modifications like match triggers, or even a different shaped trigger than the one the manufacturer installed at the factory. Besides joining pro-2A organizations such as the NRA, what specifically can we do as individuals to make sure that, if bumpfire stocks are banned, that it's limited in scope to those exact items, and those exact items only?

The best part about banning bump stocks is American ingenuity will figure out away around it, the best way to make something better is to tell someone you can’t do it. #holdmybeer

[Doug.38PR]

my replies to this thread seems to have disappeared simce last night. Am I not allowed to argue or participate in my own thread?

[DEB]

Once you give a dog a bone, he wants another bone.

Agree 100%!

Why give up anything. What's next? 20 or 30 round mags?
Are some of us willing to give those up too?
Because I'm not...and won't.

I'm so sick of buzz phrases. No one is "giving up" anything, but the reality is we could well see bump-stocks "taken away" because the votes are probably there. Wake up people and see what's happening!!!! Bloomberg and Hollywood are pouring money into this effort and the media is helping to the fullest extent. We've never had this level of opposition before, not ever. It's a campaign of lies and distortion, but it's very well funded and they are playing on the sympathy factor of kids getting killed.

If you really want to make a difference, then start recruiting NRA members every single day. The NRA better be 15 million strong soon, or this is only going to get worse.

Chas.

This is it exactly. Anyone want to see their worst enemy? Look in a mirror. All I hear is how bad and malleable the NRA is, how they are always bending on gun rights. I then ask, Are you a member? The answer is No. Then I ask, Why don't you join and make your voice heard? Answer, I wouldn't give my money to an organization like that. What? Really? We fight each other more than the true enemy. Same as Christianity. I do go to Church, I do worship the Lord. But, all I hear from fellow Christians is that the way their Ecclesia worships is the right and only way. The left, although they truly are, in my opinion, Godless Communists, do stick together. Shoot, they burn neighborhoods down and only very few are even arrested. Homosexuals want to have a Gay Pride march in a conservative town and are refused, sue and will probably win. Christians can't even display a cross without being sued. AARRGGH! The media, which they have subverted to their side fully, backs them as well fully. We are on our own, we aught to at least stick together as one Fist! The way I see it, we are the ones bending to the leftists. I read Calguns and they in California have lost. Just a decade or so ago, they could open carry, although unloaded. We couldn't in Texas. Now the California gunowner would give our rights away if they could only carry concealed. This meaning 10 day waiting periods, only certain weapons and etc. Californians saying that they vote socially progressive and then complain when they not only have lost most of their gun rights, they continue to lose them. Then they complain that the NRA didn't spend all of their capital to keep the wolf from their door, after "They" opened it! I am a one position voter, Gun Rights is it. I know that sometimes battles go differently than I want, but as a former soldier with over 21 years in, I know a lost battle does not equal the war. I have noticed that everyone that is pro-gun is also on my side on almost everything else. I am a member of the NRA, even though not everything they do I agree with, but I also support them. Yeah, lets spend all of our capital, including political capital on bumpstocks, that the ATF has been trying to get forbidden for almost every year they have been out. I tell you, if all 150 million or so of us Gun Owners, voted as block, we would have no issues. Who here is actually members of the NRA? They say that NRA has only 2 million or so members. I don't know if that is true or not, but there should be 150 million. A few of us are carrying the water for millions of others is the way I see it.

[CleverNickname]

The best part about banning bump stocks is American ingenuity will figure out away around it, the best way to make something better is to tell someone you can’t do it. #holdmybeer

It's not theoretical. Hooking your thumb around your belt loop works. If you want an aid, a large C-shaped piece of wood works too. One end of the C acts as a stock, the other end hooks through the trigger guard and presses the trigger once the gun is pushed forwards. Then the recoil moves the gun back, the shooter's constant forward pressure against the handguard moves the gun forwards, pressing the trigger and causing thr whole process to repeat. Banning C-shaped pieces of wood won't work very well.

[Doug.38PR]

Most of what I'm hearing here amounts to excuse making, compromising with the enemy, political double talk and defensiveness (even to the point of deleting dissenting comments).

We are acting like we are in the minority and are barely hanging on and are in the worst time every in terms of gun rights. The Republicans (the supposed conservative party) is in power in all three branches. The NRA took on Obama over everything from Clinton Assault Weapon ban to high capacity magazines to green tipped ammo).

I'm not particularly interested in getting a bump stock. (I'd rather have a real machine gun). Bump firing is fun to do sometimes, but I don't really need a device to do it. BUT nobody has to "show me" why they "need" one anymore than I need to provide a reson why I "need" an AR15. It's a principle and our RTKBA is not negotiable. But here is a reason: You need one because the bad guys say you don't.

As for these recent shootings, shootings have been going on sicne Columbine and we have resisted this gun grabbing hysteria from Clinton to Obama with success. Most people in America know guns aren't the issue or the problem that's why the bad guys are losing.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Once you give a dog a bone, he wants another bone.

Agree 100%!

Why give up anything. What's next? 20 or 30 round mags?
Are some of us willing to give those up too?
Because I'm not...and won't.

I'm so sick of buzz phrases. No one is "giving up" anything, but the reality is we could well see bump-stocks "taken away" because the votes are probably there. Wake up people and see what's happening!!!! Bloomberg and Hollywood are pouring money into this effort and the media is helping to the fullest extent. We've never had this level of opposition before, not ever. It's a campaign of lies and distortion, but it's very well funded and they are playing on the sympathy factor of kids getting killed.

If you really want to make a difference, then start recruiting NRA members every single day. The NRA better be 15 million strong soon, or this is only going to get worse.

Chas.

Mr. Cotton, I really don't care much about bumpfire stocks. However, I am in the group who worries that they will use that term as a giant umbrella to stop simple modifications like match triggers, or even a different shaped trigger than the one the manufacturer installed at the factory. Besides joining pro-2A organizations such as the NRA, what specifically can we do as individuals to make sure that, if bumpfire stocks are banned, that it's limited in scope to those exact items, and those exact items only?

I seriously doubt the phrase "bump stock" will be used in any legislation, but if it is, it will be defined. The focus is on devices that can be applied to a semi-automatic rifle that will allow it to simulate a full-auto rifle, not better triggers for trigger jobs that improve accuracy. Certainly we must be ever watchful concerning any proposed legislation.

As to what people can do, there's only two things at this point. The most important is recruiting massive number of new NRA members! I cannot overstate this need. The power of the NRA is in the number of voters we can send to the polls. This is how we always defeat the Bloomberg/Soros/Hollywood money factory. The second thing we can do is call and write your Congressman and Senators and let them know you do not support gun control legislation, other than HR 38 (Fix NICS/National Reciprocity). The Parkland shooting was not the fault of the NRA or our 5+ million members. It was the fault of 1) the murderer; 2) the FBI; 3) cowardly Broward County Deputies, and 4) Broward County Sheriff Isreal.

Chas.