Who is coming across the border

[bdickens]

Not to mention that they are an artificial force in driving down wages.

[Trinitite]

There's a simple solution that can exponentially increase border security at no cost to the taxpayers. It might even save taxpayers a bunch of money. Instead of giving amnesty to the smugglers and cop killers and other criminals crossing the border illegally, we should give amnesty to the ranchers and other hard working Americans who shoot the invaders. With guns, not just with hidden cameras 150km inside the border.

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[SwimFan85]

WOLVERINES!

[duns]

They're misunderstood folks who just want a fair shake...

The above photo has been digitally modified to change the text on the sign held by the protester. Look at the enlargement below that I made in Photoshop. See how each line of text has noise around it? See how the length of each noisy area varies with the length of the text? I hope you can see the noise. I can see it on my screen but I have a very hi-res screen. This is proof positive that those inflammatory words were added in Photoshop or similar program. The sicko who wanted to stir up hatred didn't have the digital editing skills to blend the noise in to disguise his edits. Should be obvious it's a hoax anyway since no immigrant is going to make a demand like "jobs - no taxes" or publicly threaten to shoot police in Arizona.

[idrathernot]

Duns is right. If you look at the shadows in the foreground you can see that similar lighting effects are not present on the sign that has been doctored.

Nevertheless, there is a large (government subsidized) portion of immigrants that believe they are entitled to just that and more.

It is past time for all Americans to know what is at the root of this outrageous behavior, and the extent to which the nation is at risk because of "La Raza" -- The Race.

There are many immigrant groups joined in the overall "La Raza" movement. The most prominent and mainstream organization is the National Council de La Raza -- the Council of "The Race".

To most of the mainstream media, most members of Congress, and even many of their own members, the National Council of La Raza is no more than a Hispanic Rotary Club.

But the National Council of La Raza succeeded in raking in over $15.2 million in federal grants last year alone, of which $7.9 million was in U.S. Department of Education grants for Charter Schools, and undisclosed amounts were for get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions.

The Council of La Raza succeeded in having itself added to congressional hearings by Republican House and Senate leaders. And an anonymous senator even gave the Council of La Raza an extra $4 million in earmarked taxpayer money, supposedly for "housing reform," while La Raza continues to lobby the Senate for virtual open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens.

Behind the respectable front of the National Council of La Raza lies the real agenda of the La Raza movement, the agenda that led to those thousands of illegal immigrants in the streets of American cities, waving Mexican flags, brazenly defying our laws, and demanding concessions.

Key among the secondary organizations is the radical racist group Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA), one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West.

One of America's greatest strengths has always been taking in immigrants from cultures around the world, and assimilating them into our country as Americans. By being citizens of the U.S. we are Americans first, and only, in our national loyalties.

This is totally opposed by MEChA for the hordes of illegal immigrants pouring across our borders, to whom they say:

"Chicano is our identity; it defines who we are as people. It rejects the notion that we...should assimilate into the Anglo-American melting pot...Aztlan was the legendary homeland of the Aztecas ... It became synonymous with the vast territories of the Southwest, brutally stolen from a Mexican people marginalized and betrayed by the hostile custodians of the Manifest Destiny." (Statement on University of Oregon MEChA Website, Jan. 3, 2006)

MEChA isn't at all shy about their goals, or their views of other races. Their founding principles are contained in these words in "El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan" (The Spiritual Plan for Aztlan):

"In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. ... Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. ... We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada."

That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says: "For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing."

If these morally sickening MEChA quotes were coming from some fringe website, Americans could at least console themselves that it was just a small group of nuts behind it. Nearly every racial and ethnic group has some shady characters and positions in its past and some unbalanced individuals today claiming racial superiority and demanding separatism. But this is coming straight from the official MEChA sites at Georgetown University, the University of Texas, UCLA, University of Michigan, University of Colorado, University of Oregon, and many other colleges and universities around the country.

MEChA was in fact reported to be one of the main organizers of those street demonstrations we witnessed over the past weeks. That helps explain why those hordes of illegal immigrants weren't asking for amnesty -- they were demanding an end to U.S. law, period. Unlike past waves of immigrants who sought to become responsible members of American society, these protesters reject American society altogether, because they have been taught that America rightfully belongs to them.

MEChA and the La Raza movement teach that Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington State make up an area known as "Aztlan" -- a fictional ancestral homeland of the Aztecs before Europeans arrived in North America. As such, it belongs to the followers of MEChA. These are all areas America should surrender to "La Raza" once enough immigrants, legal or illegal, enter to claim a majority, as in Los Angeles. The current borders of the United States will simply be extinguished.

This plan is what is referred to as the "Reconquista" or reconquest, of the Western U.S.

But it won't end with territorial occupation and secession. The final plan for the La Raza movement includes the ethnic cleansing of Americans of European, African, and Asian descent out of "Aztlan."

As Miguel Perez of Cal State-Northridge's MEChA chapter has been quoted as saying: "The ultimate ideology is the liberation of Aztlan. Communism would be closest [to it]. Once Aztlan is established, ethnic cleansing would commence: Non-Chicanos would have to be expelled -- opposition groups would be quashed because you have to keep power."

Full article here

[baldeagle]

Duns, you are entitled to your opinion, but my research indicates that no one has been able to determine the authenticity of the sign one way or the other. The only thing that's been confirmed to date is that the picture was taken in Los Angeles on May Day, not in Phoenix as some have claimed. Whether or not it's legitimate, it accurately reflects the attitudes of some illegal Mexican immigrants. Similar signs, about shooting police, have been spotted at other "rallies". So I would not label it a fake until its origin can be accurately identified.

[duns]

Duns, you are entitled to your opinion, but my research indicates that no one has been able to determine the authenticity of the sign one way or the other.

So what about the authenticity of this one? Same photo, flipped horizontally, and different text on the sign.

[Tamie]

Has anyone seen this video? I don't think it's photoshopped. I checked the pixels.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4236690/ranc ... -on-video/

[suthdj]

They're misunderstood folks who just want a fair shake...

This sign must be fake, the grammar and spelling is to good to come from an illegal( I mean undocumented guest worker).

[duns]

Most of the posts seem to me to have been way off-topic. The original post was about nationals of countries that sponsor terror against the USA coming in over the border.

[SwimFan85]

Mexico has a lot of narco-terrorism, but there is a mountain of evidence that Middle Eastern illegals are also coming in through Mexico.

[duns]

Mexico has a lot of narco-terrorism, but there is a mountain of evidence that Middle Eastern illegals are also coming in through Mexico.

Exactly! But the Border Patrol is kept busy by the much larger number of crossings by economic migrants. If I was a drug runner or terrorist, I would be very grateful that the Border Patrol is kept distracted in this way.

[duns]

What I find surprising is that there isn't a sufficient fleet of manned aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) to continuously monitor the borders. Maybe most of them are in Iraq and Afghanistan and the threats coming across the US borders are not considered of sufficient importance to bring some of them back home?