Social Security Isn't An Entitlement

[Tamie]

No, it is NOT an entitlement.

Then people should stop whinging that they're entitled to money taken from the pockets of hardworking taxpayers.

[2crazy2carry]

A) Small business loans have elements taht make them less costly and also allow ppl without much money to start a business. In the end you SAVE money from doing it straight through a bank or shelling out your own start up money. The money you save is the FREEEEE money.

Also I meant to add in subsidees and governement grants, and oh yeah that thing they call a stimulus that I saw a bunch of Republican run business cozying up to their local Republican representative to get free handouts...oh i mean money to help their company...oh mean money to give themselves in bonus' since there was no requirement to use the moeny to actually higher a proportional amount of ppl to the amount of money given...................

b) 2009 was over all deflationary. See i can google too: http://inflationdata.com/inflation/infl ... lation.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
this nation has been screaming out of control on inflation. Just beacuse the fed cut the interest rate to 0% for the big banks doesnt mean jack. It didnt help for very long so the fed brought the interest rate back up a bit. You took the -34% deflation out of context to the last ten years and how it has gone up and continues to rise since the end of last year.

c) The 401ks can hardly be considered a mojority stake holder in a company. Yeah go down to your local fortune 500 and tell them you have a 401k with some teachers union and want to talk. They will laugh you out of the room. Thats the faulicy. The idea that because you have a 401k or limited stocks with a company somehow they consider you part of the "team". They only want your money and if they could seperate you from your money and keep it they would......Thats in fact what they did and why soo many ppl today have deflated or have completely lost there 401ks. It is true some 401k's have come back...but again the holders of those 401k are still not "important" to the company and the compnay does not care about the individual. They care about profits and growth. not baggage and payouts to 401k's

D) at 74novaman You telling me i am in an ivory tower becasue I am a proponent of ppl getting an educatation and taking the economics required classes of a standard degree plan to fully understand things? That this might help them to understand economics in a way to were they cannot have the wool pulled over there eyes and things like the derivitives scams cannot happen again? REALLY? You know I think that is just your way of trying to de-validate ideas that challenge your own. You cannot argue with the idea of becoming educated individual so you set the expectation that unless I went to a private ivy league school I am not qualified to speak. I am actually a current student in a 4 year college and am actively involved in both political clubs and groups as well as economic clubs. My major is political science and in about 1 year I will be attending law school. Whats funny is you will probably attack this as a lie and try to ssay something like if it were true I wouldnt need to say it or something. LOL...I talk too much to not be someone trying to become a lawyer...

e) @ 74novaman - I agree that we are a Republic but we are also a democracy in many ways too. that said the idea of a republic is that the power lies within the individual hands not consolidated to the hands of a few......So my point is still valid. Money is power and is the money is monopolized..or to put it more formally...If the monetary system in a country is imbalanced, whether by intention or accident, the end result will be a consolidation of wealth to a small group of ppl. The cosolidation of wealth throughout history has correlated to the distress of ecnomies and the bankrupting of entire nations. So We must protect out monetary system inorder to protect the economy which is the driving engine of how power is ditributed in this country. So like you think ppl are linked to business...Money and power a linked to rights and freedom. Without resources you are powerless over your own life. We are all then just hampsters in a cage waiting to be feed. That is not the vision of our fore fathers.

[TLE2]

Your not paying for your own SS retirement, your paying for the generation before you. That's why after the WWII baby boomers retire, the funding gets a little thin.

What we need to do is bite the bullet (so to speak) and change the funding to "own generation". Right now I think there are about 4 workers paying for every retiree. When I retire that will be down to about 3 to 1.

A social security overhaul will be costly in the short term but will eliminate forever the cross generation funding problem.

[2crazy2carry]

Your not paying for your own SS retirement, your paying for the generation before you. That's why after the WWII baby boomers retire, the funding gets a little thin.

What we need to do is bite the bullet (so to speak) and change the funding to "own generation". Right now I think there are about 4 workers paying for every retiree. When I retire that will be down to about 3 to 1.

A social security overhaul will be costly in the short term but will eliminate forever the cross generation funding problem.

Honestly as part of the newer generation that has to pay for all the barrowing the baby bommer and wwII generations did, I am tee'd off.

I think the only fair thing for the previous generation to do is PAY BACK THE FREAKING MONEY YOU TOOK FROM OUR GENERATION.....so pay your freaking taxes and stop being greedy and selfish with OUR future. I agree taxes suck and should be minimized but the offset is that you dont barrow against the future to make up for not paying enough taxes to pay for police and public services, when the money runs dry.

THe fact is the previous generations had their days of prosperity. Its time for the fairtale to come full cirle and for them to pay for the goodtimes the got. The previous generations seem to want to have great prosperity for free and at the cost to our generation........Then so many of them look around at others and call them lazy bums trying to get free handouts, whne the true is those entire generations profited and bought cars houses and boats off the promise of giving up the money our generation needs to sustain ourselves.

GIVE IT BACK....PAY UP YOUR TAXES SO OUR FUTURE CAN BE MORE SECURE.

EDIT: oh and then go vote for independent party candidates..no no the republican in sheeps clothing tea party...but true third party ppl. Stop voting for politicians that want to give money to the big compnaies that fund their campaigns...Thank you

[Charles L. Cotton]

A) Small business loans have elements taht make them less costly and also allow ppl without much money to start a business. In the end you SAVE money from doing it straight through a bank or shelling out your own start up money. The money you save is the FREEEEE money.

Also I meant to add in subsidees and governement grants, and oh yeah that thing they call a stimulus that I saw a bunch of Republican run business cozying up to their local Republican representative to get free handouts...oh i mean money to help their company...oh mean money to give themselves in bonus' since there was no requirement to use the moeny to actually higher a proportional amount of ppl to the amount of money given...................

b) 2009 was over all deflationary. See i can google too: http://inflationdata.com/inflation/infl ... lation.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
this nation has been screaming out of control on inflation. Just beacuse the fed cut the interest rate to 0% for the big banks doesnt mean jack. It didnt help for very long so the fed brought the interest rate back up a bit. You took the -34% deflation out of context to the last ten years and how it has gone up and continues to rise since the end of last year.

c) The 401ks can hardly be considered a mojority stake holder in a company. Yeah go down to your local fortune 500 and tell them you have a 401k with some teachers union and want to talk. They will laugh you out of the room. Thats the faulicy. The idea that because you have a 401k or limited stocks with a company somehow they consider you part of the "team". They only want your money and if they could seperate you from your money and keep it they would......Thats in fact what they did and why soo many ppl today have deflated or have completely lost there 401ks. It is true some 401k's have come back...but again the holders of those 401k are still not "important" to the company and the compnay does not care about the individual. They care about profits and growth. not baggage and payouts to 401k's

D) at 74novaman You telling me i am in an ivory tower becasue I am a proponent of ppl getting an educatation and taking the economics required classes of a standard degree plan to fully understand things? That this might help them to understand economics in a way to were they cannot have the wool pulled over there eyes and things like the derivitives scams cannot happen again? REALLY? You know I think that is just your way of trying to de-validate ideas that challenge your own. You cannot argue with the idea of becoming educated individual so you set the expectation that unless I went to a private ivy league school I am not qualified to speak. I am actually a current student in a 4 year college and am actively involved in both political clubs and groups as well as economic clubs. My major is political science and in about 1 year I will be attending law school. Whats funny is you will probably attack this as a lie and try to ssay something like if it were true I wouldnt need to say it or something. LOL...I talk too much to not be someone trying to become a lawyer...

e) @ 74novaman - I agree that we are a Republic but we are also a democracy in many ways too. that said the idea of a republic is that the power lies within the individual hands not consolidated to the hands of a few......So my point is still valid. Money is power and is the money is monopolized..or to put it more formally...If the monetary system in a country is imbalanced, whether by intention or accident, the end result will be a consolidation of wealth to a small group of ppl. The cosolidation of wealth throughout history has correlated to the distress of ecnomies and the bankrupting of entire nations. So We must protect out monetary system inorder to protect the economy which is the driving engine of how power is ditributed in this country. So like you think ppl are linked to business...Money and power a linked to rights and freedom. Without resources you are powerless over your own life. We are all then just hampsters in a cage waiting to be feed. That is not the vision of our fore fathers.

Wow!! Tone down the rhetoric.

Chas.

[Charles L. Cotton]

With no small amount of skepticism, the Moderators agreed to open both Off Topic and "Political" forums. For the most part, the Off Topic forum has been successful and we are pleasantly surprised.

However, the "Political" forum is not an "anything goes" forum, although it's heading in that direction. The caption reads "This is the place for gun-related political discussions." Let's get this forum back on topic.

Chas.

[Purplehood]

Your not paying for your own SS retirement, your paying for the generation before you. That's why after the WWII baby boomers retire, the funding gets a little thin.

What we need to do is bite the bullet (so to speak) and change the funding to "own generation". Right now I think there are about 4 workers paying for every retiree. When I retire that will be down to about 3 to 1.

A social security overhaul will be costly in the short term but will eliminate forever the cross generation funding problem.

Honestly as part of the newer generation that has to pay for all the barrowing the baby bommer and wwII generations did, I am tee'd off.

I think the only fair thing for the previous generation to do is PAY BACK THE FREAKING MONEY YOU TOOK FROM OUR GENERATION.....so pay your freaking taxes and stop being greedy and selfish with OUR future. I agree taxes suck and should be minimized but the offset is that you dont barrow against the future to make up for not paying enough taxes to pay for police and public services, when the money runs dry.

THe fact is the previous generations had their days of prosperity. Its time for the fairtale to come full cirle and for them to pay for the goodtimes the got. The previous generations seem to want to have great prosperity for free and at the cost to our generation........Then so many of them look around at others and call them lazy bums trying to get free handouts, whne the true is those entire generations profited and bought cars houses and boats off the promise of giving up the money our generation needs to sustain ourselves.

GIVE IT BACK....PAY UP YOUR TAXES SO OUR FUTURE CAN BE MORE SECURE.

EDIT: oh and then go vote for independent party candidates..no no the republican in sheeps clothing tea party...but true third party ppl. Stop voting for politicians that want to give money to the big compnaies that fund their campaigns...Thank you

Please throw the Red Bull in the trash before typing things like the above...I have paid taxes since before you were born and not taken a single thing from YOUR generation. In fact, my generation made your generation possible. Not just from a reproductive standpoint but from any and every aspect that you can imagine.
The only thing that every generation takes from the succeeding one is the resources used by that generation. How we go about doing that is our legacy or lack of it. The generation before mine saddled us with Social Security. I was never given the option to opt out of it. If I had been, I am pretty sure that I would have.
Where the government really messed up (not counting inventing SS in the first place) was making it possible for the government to raid its till of monies at will. To the folks that make up our government (all generations), it was simply a great big pot of money that continuously replenished itself and was simply too tempting to leave alone and let it flourish as it should have.
CHARLES: I apologize for contributing to this and I just noticed your subsequent post.

[The Annoyed Man]

Please throw the Red Bull in the trash before typing things like the above...I have paid taxes since before you were born and not taken a single thing from YOUR generation. In fact, my generation made your generation possible. Not just from a reproductive standpoint but from any and every aspect that you can imagine.
The only thing that every generation takes from the succeeding one is the resources used by that generation. How we go about doing that is our legacy or lack of it. The generation before mine saddled us with Social Security. I was never given the option to opt out of it. If I had been, I am pretty sure that I would have.
Where the government really messed up (not counting inventing SS in the first place) was making it possible for the government to raid its till of monies at will. To the folks that make up our government (all generations), it was simply a great big pot of money that continuously replenished itself and was simply too tempting to leave alone and let it flourish as it should have.
CHARLES: I apologize for contributing to this and I just noticed your subsequent post.

I agree with Purplehood. 58 years old here, and I have been paying into Social Security for 40 years now, and I've never taken a thin dime from the government yet, and I'm a conservative voter. You've made a scurrilous charge without substantiation. Now it is time for you to back it up with FACTS, or step down off your soap box. You may be headed for law school (if you actually get in - and graduation is a whole other matter...), but you've got a long way to go before you have wisdom. And by the way, plans for law school aren't what make a knowledgeable lawyer. Graduation from law school, passing the bar exam, and then having a successful practice - that's what makes a knowledgeable lawyer. At that point, a guy like me might start to take seriously what a guy like you says. Until then, you're not qualified to criticize my generation. College students are a dime a dozen. The wise ones stand out. Unfortunately, so do the hotheads.

Sheesh.

[Crossfire]

With no small amount of skepticism, the Moderators agreed to open both Off Topic and "Political" forums. For the most part, the Off Topic forum has been successful and we are pleasantly surprised.

However, the "Political" forum is not an "anything goes" forum, although it's heading in that direction. The caption reads "This is the place for gun-related political discussions." Let's get this forum back on topic.

Chas.

I'm thinking this topic never was in compliance with anything "tangentially related to guns, shooting, self-defense, Second Amendment, etc.", so there is no way to get it back "on-topic".

How about we lock it now?

[Oldgringo]

With no small amount of skepticism, the Moderators agreed to open both Off Topic and "Political" forums. For the most part, the Off Topic forum has been successful and we are pleasantly surprised.

However, the "Political" forum is not an "anything goes" forum, although it's heading in that direction. The caption reads "This is the place for gun-related political discussions." Let's get this forum back on topic.

Chas.

I'm thinking this topic never was in compliance with anything "tangentially related to guns, shooting, self-defense, Second Amendment, etc.", so there is no way to get it back "on-topic".

How about we lock it now?

Lock 'er up.

[sjfcontrol]

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[The Annoyed Man]

Me 3.