Our welfare system recipients.

[chuck j]

cb1000rider I'v read your post twice and although friendly enough put it seems like you would change little or nothing of the present system . Am I wrong ?

[anygunanywhere]

People who flatly state that they would pay more taxes need to do so. Put up or shut up. If you want to feed the leeches more money then send a check to the IRS. Maybe send it to barry to dole out to one of his orks.

Sheesh.

More libtard trash talk.

Please spare us your platitudes and rhetoric. I have heard enough.

Anygunanywhere

[chuck j]

People who flatly state that they would pay more taxes need to do so. Put up or shut up. If you want to feed the leeches more money then send a check to the IRS. Maybe send it to barry to dole out to one of his orks.

Sheesh.

More libtard trash talk.

Please spare us your platitudes and rhetoric. I have heard enough.

Anygunanywhere

Come on lighten up anygunanywhere , cb1000rider is an ok guy , some folks just have a hard time making tough decisions .

[anygunanywhere]

People who flatly state that they would pay more taxes need to do so. Put up or shut up. If you want to feed the leeches more money then send a check to the IRS. Maybe send it to barry to dole out to one of his orks.

Sheesh.

More libtard trash talk.

Please spare us your platitudes and rhetoric. I have heard enough.

Anygunanywhere

Come on lighten up anygunanywhere , cb1000rider is an ok guy , some folks just have a hard time making tough decisions .

I know lots of liberals who are "ok guys" but the "ok guys" vote in tyrants who want to take aways my rights. How is that "ok"?

Anygunanywhere

[chuck j]

Your due your own , good enough .

[sunny beach]

People who flatly state that they would pay more taxes need to do so. Put up or shut up. If you want to feed the leeches more money then send a check to the IRS. Maybe send it to barry to dole out to one of his orks.

Sheesh.

More libtard trash talk.

Please spare us your platitudes and rhetoric. I have heard enough.

Anygunanywhere

The obvious conclusion is they don't really want to pay more. They just want us to pay for their causes.

[Tecumseh]

You seem to be confused about what the Constitution says and what it means. The Constitution is a charter for limited government. It defines what the Federal government is ALLOWED to do, and all those functions not specifically enumerated come under the sole power of the individual States. The Constitution DOES NOT ALLOW the Federal Government to provide welfare. Now granted, a liberal activist president (FDR) in collusion with a corrupt and dishonest Congress and a activist Supreme Court have deliberately re-interpreted the Constitution to mean what they want it to mean, but its clear meaning is quite obvious and simple. That said, if the government actually followed the Constitution, there is nothing prohibiting individual states from doling out all the welfare their residents are willing to cough up in taxes. And there are all kinds of reasons why the Founders wrote the Constitution the way they did --one of them being that the States were intended to be individual experiments for self-governance, both by individual demonstrations of what works and what doesn't, and as refuges for those citizens living in states that strayed too far in the wrong direction --another system of checks and balances.

So reading between the constitutional lecture lines, you seem to be saying that you think welfare is a job for the state.. And again, I'm looking for solutions, so I completely accept that as a reasonable solution. I can't say that it will solve the problem, as it only passes the burden of spending from federal taxes to state taxes (or property tax here in TX)... That assumes everything stays the same.

I do agree that states seem to have a better handle on the regional problems, certainly better than the federal government... So I certainly like that aspect.

In regard to the constitutional lecture. You guys can do that all day long, but the reality is that we pay taxes (too many) and currently pay into a system that takes from those who make money and at some level redistributes it. I see nothing in the constitution that "allows" for that, but we're not going to get the "reset" that you guys keep talking about any time soon, so why not work within the bounds of what we can change?

The problem is that if welfare is passed onto the state, Texas, and many other poor states will not be able to meet the demand. They are already stealing tax dollars from more productive and wealthier states as they receive more in tax dollars than they spend.

Some people do believe that it is constitutional as the preamble suggests.

The preamble to the Constitution states: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The word welfare is also mentioned again in the Constitution.

Article 1, Section 8 states: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States."

Perhaps we should also give the people on social security only what they put in (as they are getting 300% of what they put in and are stealing from me. Why don't those bums do something?

[chuck j]

Tecumseh I am in total agreement !!!! These reciepents of the fruit of my labor need to back off and die ! I am me amd me wants for me to enjoy me and take care of me and not have to be always worrying about these old people ! DANG RIGHT !!! Go on and die you no good , outdated scum ! You cant even send a text message !!! Die !!!

[Panda]

I see.

[chuck j]

Yea , what does that mean ? You see what ?

[Tecumseh]

Another thing I do not wish to pay for is public roads. Nor do I want to pay for disaster relief. An example being the moronic governor of Texas who is angry the National Guard has not been sent in to start filling sandbags and preparing for hurricanes. They are being furloughed and do not have the manpower to help. If they are stupid enough to live in a hurricane prone area, it should not be my responsibility to help them. As the Bible says "Those Unwilling to work, shall not eat." They have to be willing to do it themsleves or they will suffer. Perhaps it is God's punishment on them?

Either way why not just let the churches and private charities take care of feeding the homeless, helping the poor, raising funds for cancer research, or helping pay the medical bills of those who are too lazy to work to pay for their own cancer treatments. Not my problem. I have to take care of me and mine.

[chuck j]

I was about 28 years old , I was on call to visit the shut ins in my church , I was sent to a nursing home to visit a member . I got there and she was bedfast , I tried to be friendly, and reassuring . She was probably about 50 years old and suffering , I tryed to talk to her and ask her things to stimulate conversation . She layed there , hard pressed to speak , she had both legs taken off , she could hardly breath , she was nearly gone . I felt like I provided her with little comfort . I felt like I failed . I did follow up and God took her soon after . I rember .

[Tecumseh]

Why is it the most wealthy country/institution in the world, the Holy Roman Catholic Church, doesn't just take care of all the homeless and sick people? Why doesn't the local church down the street raise money for cancer patients and operate a homeless shelter after church services? Why should I be forced to do that with my tax dollars. Churches don't even pay taxes but keep the money they are gifted and don't even use it for good works. Just another reason that the tax system is not fair. Churches need to start coughing up money and doing their fair share.

[RogueUSMC]

Why is it the most wealthy country/institution in the world, the Holy Roman Catholic Church, doesn't just take care of all the homeless and sick people? Why doesn't the local church down the street raise money for cancer patients and operate a homeless shelter after church services? Why should I be forced to do that with my tax dollars. Churches don't even pay taxes but keep the money they are gifted and don't even use it for good works. Just another reason that the tax system is not fair. Churches need to start coughing up money and doing their fair share.

I know quite a few churches that spend more outside the church than they do in-house...Mark 12:31 in practice...so get your church to start doing it if it's not...

[The Annoyed Man]

Why is it the most wealthy country/institution in the world, the Holy Roman Catholic Church, doesn't just take care of all the homeless and sick people? Why doesn't the local church down the street raise money for cancer patients and operate a homeless shelter after church services? Why should I be forced to do that with my tax dollars. Churches don't even pay taxes but keep the money they are gifted and don't even use it for good works. Just another reason that the tax system is not fair. Churches need to start coughing up money and doing their fair share.

Don't know what planet you've been on, but churches are already doing all that and more. How much of your money goes to take care of the poor? I can tell your a certain fact that churches (and their members individually) are the ones giving the most out of their own pockets to charity. Who do you think staffs organizations like the Union Rescue Mission.......Christians and other religious people, or atheists?

Churches are absolutely doing the charitable work that others won't do, and supporting that work through the funds they raise through the tithe and other gifts. If you can't see it, it's because you don't want to.