Starbucks folds to antis

[rotor]

Embalmo has a point I have not thought of. People are going to avoid SB because they are saying please do not bring firearms in their stores although they are not banning them.

Every Gun Show I have ever attended had a valid 30.06 sign posted.

I want being avoiding SB because I never did like their product, but it sure makes me second guess Gun Shows.

I have never been to a gun show that had a 30.06 sign posted.

[carlson1]

They are in East Texas and Dallas. Not for sure where you live?

[rotor]

They are in East Texas and Dallas. Not for sure where you live?

Wichita Falls.

[carlson1]

I would surely support those shows. I have stopped going to these here.

[tommyg]

I think Star Buck requested that you don't bring guns in to their stores to get the gun grabbers to shut up
Remember it is a request and concealed means concealed. They don't like being sucked into the gun issue
they want to sell coffee. Carry into Starbucks just keep it hid and drink your coffee

[chasfm11]

I think Star Buck requested that you don't bring guns in to their stores to get the gun grabbers to shut up
Remember it is a request and concealed means concealed. They don't like being sucked into the gun issue
they want to sell coffee. Carry into Starbucks just keep it hid and drink your coffee

I cannot help but relate the Starbucks situation to a similar type of one between Wal-Mart and RVers.

Wal-Mart corporate policy is to allow individual stores to permit the parking of RVs in their parking lots overnight where it is not prohibited by local laws. This is a good thing for many RVers because it provides an opportunity to get off the road for a few hours where trying to find, sign into and park at a campground in the middle of the night is not practical.

Some of the campground owners didn't like Wal-Mart's policy and lobbied local governments to ban big box store parking in general for "safetly" reasons. A campground owner's association assisted some of its members in getting the local bans in place, raising the ire of many RVers who then boycotted those campgrounds.

Some RVers took advantage of the overnight hospitality at Wal-Mart, parking for several days, putting out rugs and lawn chairs, cooking on grills even holding dumping tanks in the storm drains. Wal-Mart could have easily made the decision to outright ban all RV parking because of these hassles but they also recognize that RVers are good customers and spend a lot of money in their stores.

In the end, there is a booklet of Wal-Marts where overnight parking is banned but Wal-Mart's policy remains leaving the rest to make local decisions. This gives local managers the discretion to deal with individual RVers who cannot mind their manners and generally welcomes all others.

As you might imagine, the RV forums were inundated with posts about Wal-Mart, both pro and con to the point where several of them banned Wal-Mart related threads. Those threads contained strong opinions on both sides (and the usual dose of personal attacks) In the mean time, Wal-Mart did its best to remain above the fray. They are in business to sell stuff, not be sucked into the RV parking problem. Today, the opinion in the RV community is mixed about whether or not RV is pro or anti-RVs. For me, that says that Wal-Mart's attempt to not take sides was successful.

I suspect that Starbucks is in exactly the same position.

[MeMelYup]

I have seen rv's parked in Sam's clubs and multiple WAL-mart's parking lots for a week at a time.

[cb1000rider]

I have never been to a gun show that had a 30.06 sign posted.

Never been because you don't attend those with 30.06 signs?

They're also in Cedar Park, Austin, and Houston. Last one in Cedar Park, the LEOs knew that the signs were not legal, but they stood anyway.

[chasfm11]

I have seen rv's parked in Sam's clubs and multiple WAL-mart's parking lots for a week at a time.

Yep. And those are the "fringe" in the RV community who jeopardize the opportunity for the rest of the travelers to have a relatively safe place to pull over for a few hours. If the stores themselves don't prohibit extended parking periods, the surrounding towns often do.

There is an element that I didn't mention. It is called "full timers". These are people who have no permanent home and live in their RVs year round. Some are migrant construction or oil field workers. Others are retired people who decided that they really didn't need a permanent location or the increasing costs that go with it. Part of that group are the ones who will push the limits of their stays in Wal-Marts, etc. I had an interesting thread going with two of them on IRV2.com who believe it is their right to use commercial lots to park overnight. One of them "hides" their RV on RV for sale lots. I'm really surprised that they can get away with it and don't get a lot of visits from local LEOs

But I don't want to get to far afield here. The relevance to this thread is that there always seems to be a fringe element on every issue that involves a commercial business that keeps trying to draw that business back into the middle of a political firefight, directly or indirectly. As I said earlier, I'm somewhat conflicted by wanting to stand up in public for my rights and not allow the antis, through sheer numbers in protests, to bully businesses and even parts of the government in to acquiescing to their demands. At the same time, I fully understand that gaining public acceptance requires thoughtful and low-key work, the results of which have yielded us good results for CHL in Texas. That it is not everything I would prefer it to be shouldn't cause me to act in a way that undermines that progress. It means tamping down the visceral response that I have to the often illegal actions of the protestors in favor of steps that achieve the goal.

[Abraham]

AndyC is right.

Using a little sophistication isn't beyond us pro-gun folk - is it?

[rotor]

I have never been to a gun show that had a 30.06 sign posted.

Never been because you don't attend those with 30.06 signs?

They're also in Cedar Park, Austin, and Houston. Last one in Cedar Park, the LEOs knew that the signs were not legal, but they stood anyway.

No, never been to a gun show with a 30.06 and never seen one. Perhaps people should visit Wichita Falls more often. Oct 12-13 is next show. Here is the website
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[nightmare]

It's pretty clear to me that we've lost the right in Texas to openly carry long guns - or any type of firearm for that matter. I know that some of you are OK with this.

Sad but essentially true. Many people claim to be pro gun but oppose open carry, campus carry, and many other incremental steps toward constitutional carry. Many politicians talk a good game but reality sets in when we look at the infringements the legislature intentionally left on the books, and what Perry intentionally left out of the special sessions. Matthew 7:15-20

[rbwhatever1]

Starbucks and Guns. Private Property their choice.

I believe Mr Schultz missed the entire US Constitution in his letter. Perhaps he's not read it.

Actually I think he understands it better than most. He was forced to make a business decision that he didn't want to make because of a few stupid people. Don't blame him, blame the stupid people.

The Beauty Of True Liberty given to us all from our Founders. One cannot infringe on a free mans god given right to be armed because one does not like arms just as one cannot silence a free mans speech because one doesn't like the topic. My natural right "to be" outweighs Mr. Schultz "perceived right" to feel good about some "frivolous gun debate" that shouldn't be. I will not force my will on any man to "be armed" and no man will force their will on me to be "unarmed". This is Liberty and the U.S Constitution, written by better men, guarantees my natural right to bear arms will not be infringed. "Come and Take Them" has true meaning in the history of man throughout the ages. Our forefathers understood this and have handed us all a beautiful Constitution to preserve our Freedom...

If one becomes alarmed by the sight of a Law Abiding American bearing Arms one should move to a Country that has abolished this Natural Right of Free men. Politicians and Judges Included...

[jmain]

How exactly is anyone with a cell in their brain supposed to support open carry under these antics?

Push it far enough and all of Corp America will post 3006 ending what we call concealed carry today.


Many members of Corporate Boards serve for multiple entities. Push enough buttons and a few thousand that run 80% of the Corporations in the US can fix this for us all.

In my most polite and political tone, quiet down and let this go away by itself.