Mother/Vet refused entry to school for CHL on Facebook

[MasterOfNone]

The wisdom of the mother's posting is irrelevant. It's no different than if the principal reacted to apost about going hunting or going to the range or getting a new gun safe.

[RPBrown]

I feel there may be more to the story than what is printed here.

However, if facts are as stated, the principal is not only an idiot but a power junkie as well. If a judge signs off on this then he/she is the same idiot and power junkie.

I also read where the child has already been transferred to another school. This makes me wonder even more what else may be involved in the story.

Just my .02

[mewalke]

Based on the local news article that Fox linked to:

Principal Dallas says several PTO members pointed out instances where Mount would disrupt classes and where Mount said she wouldn't let anybody bother her daughter

The principal says with the rash of school shootings, coupled with Mount's comments and the permit, it was cause for alarm.

So it sounds as though the mom was not afraid to speak her mind and had a history of standing up and questioning the schools decisions.

There is still far too much that isn't known. But based on the facts presented in the two articles, I don't think a criminal trespass order is justifiable.

[Abraham]

Who needs Big Brother when you have Facebook?

[chasfm11]

Based on the local news article that Fox linked to:

Principal Dallas says several PTO members pointed out instances where Mount would disrupt classes and where Mount said she wouldn't let anybody bother her daughter

The principal says with the rash of school shootings, coupled with Mount's comments and the permit, it was cause for alarm.

So it sounds as though the mom was not afraid to speak her mind and had a history of standing up and questioning the schools decisions.

There is still far too much that isn't known. But based on the facts presented in the two articles, I don't think a criminal trespass order is justifiable.

So why weren't the PTO sources separately queried? So far, it is a she said/she said between the mom and the principal. The "rash of school shootings" has absolutely nothing to do with a Georgia licensed CCW.

It is probably better that the mom and her daughter are now in a separate school. But that does not let the principal off the hook. There needs to be a superintendent level query of the situation and appropriate action taken from the findings. Typically, however, these matters are swept under the rug within the school administration. That is why they continue. I still would like to know who issued and/or enforced the no trespass ruling. And there is explaining to do about the principal's knowledge of the FB post in the first place.

[The Annoyed Man]

Who needs Big Brother when you have Facebook?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Yep… and I have a Facebook account.

[mewalke]

So why weren't the PTO sources separately queried? Probably because it doesn't lend anything to the goal of the story, which is to cause controversy and increase unique visitor count to earn more money from advertisers. So far, it is a she said/she said between the mom and the principal. It is only a he-said/she-said from our vantage point. It could be the "no trespass order" was fully flushed out and issued justifiably, we don't know and are probably never going to find out. The "rash of school shootings" has absolutely nothing to do with a Georgia licensed CCW.

It is probably better that the mom and her daughter are now in a separate school. But that does not let the principal off the hook. There needs to be a superintendent level query of the situation and appropriate action taken from the findings. Typically, however, these matters are swept under the rug within the school administration. That is why they continue. I still would like to know who issued and/or enforced the no trespass ruling. I don't know Georgia's public records laws, but since this isn't related to an individual restraining order or something similar, it should be subject to a FOIA if you want to do the leg work. I'm guessing the news outlets have gotten their ROI on the articles so there won't be any more reporting on the matter. And there is explaining to do about the principal's knowledge of the FB post in the first place. Her FB profile is not entirely private, and most likely she is friends on FB with other parents at the school. With the "Friends of friends" privacy setting it isn't urneasonable that the Principal was able to see her FB profile easily. Or one of the PTO members referenced in the article told the principal about it.

I agree it is frustrating we don't know more, and I wish we did because as it stands, it sounds completely out of line. According to comments on the local news article, though, this principal and the school aren't anti-gun liberals with an agenda but rather pretty conservative. So there is still just too much unknown. It was a good article to stir up controversy and drive unique website visits for advertising revenue though.

[chasfm11]

I agree it is frustrating we don't know more, and I wish we did because as it stands, it sounds completely out of line. According to comments on the local news article, though, this principal and the school aren't anti-gun liberals with an agenda but rather pretty conservative. So there is still just too much unknown. It was a good article to stir up controversy and drive unique website visits for advertising revenue though.

It is certainly not scientific and there is no way to understand exactly who is posting what but the comments on this site are interesting.

http://www.greatschools.org/georgia/hep ... ab=reviews

Unless one believes that the comments are the result of a conspiracy against the principal (which I agree is possible), they do suggest that more than one parent is not satisfied. I fully agree with the quote attributed to Church that those without enemies are ones who have never stood for anything so I would be very suspicious of a complete set of glowing reports, too.

Sometimes, there are just personal conflicts that find their way into the public space and are easily exploited by the media. I also admit to a strong bias against some school administrators. My interactions with them as a teacher, a parent, a citizen and a taxpayer suggest that I can usually tell the overly pompous ones in less than 2 minutes. My experience with those is that vast majority are wildly Liberal and buy into that whole line of thinking, right down to a strong anti-gun bias. I also admit that my personal experiences don't come close to a scientific study or result.

I may try to poke around at this situation to see if any real facts can be gleaned. As you suggest, short of a FOIA, there probably won't be anything else which comes out easily.

[VMI77]

People who allow their children to be indoctrinated in State worship and obedience by the public schools are asking for trouble, and sometimes they get it.

[G30]

From the local News Channel WRDW,Augusta, GA on 6 Nov 13;
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While at first denying our request for an interview, Principal Janine Dallas agreed to talk by phone about why Mount was banned from the school.

"Mount was not following procedures that we have in place for the role of parent volunteers," Dallas said.

She declined to elaborate, and said it was not about the Facebook picture.

"It is not a personal attack on her and it has absolutely nothing to do with her Georgia license," Dallas said.

The principal claims Mount made some unspecific comments of a threatening nature toward a staff member. Dallas said she called the Board of Education Police which issued Mount the trespass warning.

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IMHO, we have now heard Principal Dallas's side of the story. Just maybe the Vet/Gun was hyped by the social media, before hearing both sides of the story. With the Media's recent knee-jerk assumption on the many different active-shooter incidents, I'm not to surprise to see the Vet/permit media frenzy.
If the Principal and staff members can validate their statements, then Ms. Mount might have to more honest about the whole situation.
Granted the amazing amount of irrational policies from our Education System is staggering beyond belief. I would caution on blaming the "system" until both sides of the story are validated.
If Ms. Mount was violating or abusing the parent volunteer program, she should have been counseled and later removed from the program for future violations. If Ms. Mount refused to comply, there might have been some "heated" words from Ms. Mount, which might have been considered to be threatening to the Principal and staff members.
I haven't heard any statement(s) that the principal or BoE Police based their CT warning strictly on her Vet status or CC permit only from the social media. From reading the story, I gather that when the BoE Police asked about her Vet/CC permit, the Warning was already issued prior to the BoE Police questions. If that was the case, the Q&A session had no bearing on the outcome of the Warning being issued in the first place.

[jmra]

From the local News Channel WRDW,Augusta, GA on 6 Nov 13;
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While at first denying our request for an interview, Principal Janine Dallas agreed to talk by phone about why Mount was banned from the school.

"Mount was not following procedures that we have in place for the role of parent volunteers," Dallas said.

She declined to elaborate, and said it was not about the Facebook picture.

"It is not a personal attack on her and it has absolutely nothing to do with her Georgia license," Dallas said.

The principal claims Mount made some unspecific comments of a threatening nature toward a staff member. Dallas said she called the Board of Education Police which issued Mount the trespass warning.

===
IMHO, we have now heard Principal Dallas's side of the story. Just maybe the Vet/Gun was hyped by the social media, before hearing both sides of the story. With the Media's recent knee-jerk assumption on the many different active-shooter incidents, I'm not to surprise to see the Vet/permit media frenzy.
If the Principal and staff members can validate their statements, then Ms. Mount might have to more honest about the whole situation.
Granted the amazing amount of irrational policies from our Education System is staggering beyond belief. I would caution on blaming the "system" until both sides of the story are validated.
If Ms. Mount was violating or abusing the parent volunteer program, she should have been counseled and later removed from the program for future violations. If Ms. Mount refused to comply, there might have been some "heated" words from Ms. Mount, which might have been considered to be threatening to the Principal and staff members.
I haven't heard any statement(s) that the principal or BoE Police based their CT warning strictly on her Vet status or CC permit only from the social media. From reading the story, I gather that when the BoE Police asked about her Vet/CC permit, the Warning was already issued prior to the BoE Police questions. If that was the case, the Q&A session had no bearing on the outcome of the Warning being issued in the first place.

Nice first post. As an educator I can tell you some crazy stories about parent behavior. When parents believe they are "defending" their children, at times civility and common sense imitate Elvis and leave the building.

[chasfm11]

Nice first post. As an educator I can tell you some crazy stories about parent behavior. When parents believe they are "defending" their children, at times civility and common sense imitate Elvis and leave the building.

As a parent, I can tell you some crazy stories about what some school administrators do to the children under their care that can lead some parents to the edge of civility. I won't post one specific personal story on this public forum but I'd be happy to share it with you. I assure you that you, too, would have been pushed to the edge of civility. It was literally a life and death situation. It would have been tragic as a singular event but it was actually a pattern of behavior by several teachers and administrators over time. How I managed not to be arrested during that time still puzzles me. I was on the edge of civility every day. I personally know of at least 4 other parents who went through similar situations with the same school.

The reason that the OP story resonates with me is that it has several of qualities of other stories that I personally know about. As a former teacher myself, I am well aware that parents can behave in a bizarre manner. I've had to deal with a few of those. I'm also aware that parent volunteers in schools can way overstep their bounds and need to be managed or even dismissed. There could be many underlying issues about the OP that none of us know about. As I said in a previous post, I will never support intimidation or threats directed at schools or school personnel. I also have no time for administrators who abuse their power. Those abuses are very often unchallenged and without consequences to those responsible.

[VMI77]

From the local News Channel WRDW,Augusta, GA on 6 Nov 13;
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While at first denying our request for an interview, Principal Janine Dallas agreed to talk by phone about why Mount was banned from the school.

"Mount was not following procedures that we have in place for the role of parent volunteers," Dallas said.

She declined to elaborate, and said it was not about the Facebook picture.

"It is not a personal attack on her and it has absolutely nothing to do with her Georgia license," Dallas said.

The principal claims Mount made some unspecific comments of a threatening nature toward a staff member. Dallas said she called the Board of Education Police which issued Mount the trespass warning.

===
IMHO, we have now heard Principal Dallas's side of the story. Just maybe the Vet/Gun was hyped by the social media, before hearing both sides of the story. With the Media's recent knee-jerk assumption on the many different active-shooter incidents, I'm not to surprise to see the Vet/permit media frenzy.
If the Principal and staff members can validate their statements, then Ms. Mount might have to more honest about the whole situation.
Granted the amazing amount of irrational policies from our Education System is staggering beyond belief. I would caution on blaming the "system" until both sides of the story are validated.
If Ms. Mount was violating or abusing the parent volunteer program, she should have been counseled and later removed from the program for future violations. If Ms. Mount refused to comply, there might have been some "heated" words from Ms. Mount, which might have been considered to be threatening to the Principal and staff members.
I haven't heard any statement(s) that the principal or BoE Police based their CT warning strictly on her Vet status or CC permit only from the social media. From reading the story, I gather that when the BoE Police asked about her Vet/CC permit, the Warning was already issued prior to the BoE Police questions. If that was the case, the Q&A session had no bearing on the outcome of the Warning being issued in the first place.

We haven't heard anything...just the usual non-denial denial. The parent may have been in the wrong but you can't tell from what the principal said because all she did was deflect. "Unspecific comments of a threatening nature".......that's a nonsense statement. Threatening nature = not a threat. "Unspecific comments" = nothing they can quote that sounds threatening. This is the way bureaucrats speak when their authority is challenged or someone attempts to hold them accountable for their actions. The "threat" is accountability. When people talk like lying bureaucrats using weasel words I'm not inclined to believe them. That said, we still don't know the whole story, and the principal's weasel words shed no additional light.

Edited to add:

BTW, according to the news reports, the principal changed her story after the incident gained national attention:

http://www.wjbf.com/story/23845263/rich ... 1481237582

Richmond County, GA -

News Channel 6's Tyrone McCoy asks McBean Elementary Principal, Janina Dallas "was the no trespass order issued because of the facebook post? Principal: yes it was."

The principal says with the rash of school shootings, coupled with Mount's comments and the permit, it was cause for alarm.

[RoyGBiv]

Additional details slowly emerging... Still looking for corroboration...
http://metrospirit.com/past-is-indeed-p ... anned-mom/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am told several McBean Elementary teachers and parent volunteers alike were on their last nerve with Mrs. Mount, describing her as “domineering,” “demanding,” “obsessive,” “unreasonable” and “a menace.”

Principal Dallas reportedly had several intense discussions with Mount, explaining that if she did not back off and cut down on the time she spent “volunteering” at the school, she would be forced to require her to do so. This was not one conversation, but several, spanning over the course of several weeks.

During Mount’s vehement defense of her actions at school, she apparently emphasized concerns that her special needs daughter needed to be “protected” from bullies. It was at this point the Concealed Weapons Permit was mentioned, along with her willingness to use it to “protect her child.” Shortly after that discussion, in which Dallas condemned the talk of firearms as a possible defense, Mount posted the picture of her CWP on Facebook.

The post was apparently the straw that broke the camel’s back. Dallas was concerned enough about her tone and her reportedly “aggressive nature” to seek the ban from the school.

[Cedar Park Dad]

Additional details slowly emerging... Still looking for corroboration...
http://metrospirit.com/past-is-indeed-p ... anned-mom/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am told several McBean Elementary teachers and parent volunteers alike were on their last nerve with Mrs. Mount, describing her as “domineering,” “demanding,” “obsessive,” “unreasonable” and “a menace.”

Principal Dallas reportedly had several intense discussions with Mount, explaining that if she did not back off and cut down on the time she spent “volunteering” at the school, she would be forced to require her to do so. This was not one conversation, but several, spanning over the course of several weeks.

During Mount’s vehement defense of her actions at school, she apparently emphasized concerns that her special needs daughter needed to be “protected” from bullies. It was at this point the Concealed Weapons Permit was mentioned, along with her willingness to use it to “protect her child.” Shortly after that discussion, in which Dallas condemned the talk of firearms as a possible defense, Mount posted the picture of her CWP on Facebook.

The post was apparently the straw that broke the camel’s back. Dallas was concerned enough about her tone and her reportedly “aggressive nature” to seek the ban from the school.

Ayah, if true that sounds like a threat.