Obama Executive Action Soon

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Used your data (not verified)

[chart showing mass shootings by president deleted to save space]

See
http://www.snopes.com/mass-shootings-obama/

Is the chart supposed to show that that need to keep guns out of the hands of crazies is growing?

[sjfcontrol]

I just took it to be another indicator that things have gotten exponentially worse under Obama. But my purpose for commenting on it at all was only to improve its readability. (That's why I disclaimed the data.)

[RW19]

You can keep your statistics , there are no true statistics just agendas . I can come up with an unlimited amount of graphs , pie charts or anything you want to 'prove' my point . Naw , no stats for me .

Hmm, I bet you don't believe in climate change either(?). Evolution? Generally speaking it seems like we have to have some measurement to figure out if something can or is being improved. Every stat based on real data deserves some respect - agenda or not.

Someone said stats show we don't have a gun problem - maybe not, yet most agree that crazies should not have access to guns. What about people on the no-fly list? Should they be allowed to easily obtain a gun? [Let's assume the no-fly list is based on good data even though it no doubt can also be improved.]

The problem with the no-fly list, and the mental disability requisite, is that they're both not real clear on how you get placed on those lists, nor is there any way of getting yourself off the lists once you can prove you're competent to own a gun. There are hundreds of personality disorders ranging from minor anxiety all the way to multiple personality disorders. I'd venture to say that anxiety isn't anything worth keeping a person from being able to purchase a gun, but multiple personality disorders shouldn't have them. Where do you draw the line? If someone visits a psychologist and the psychologist doesn't get the diagnosis right, is the psych accountable for the patient's actions? The line of thinking might seem extreme, but our courts have made some pretty outrageous rulings. . . i.e. affluenza. If you're going to keep law abiding citizens from protecting themselves, will the government accept accountability when that person can't adequately defend themselves? Because police response times are not the greatest.

Compounding the problem, is the number of guns we have in the country already. At this point, regulating or hindering legal owners ability to purchase and carry, only tilts the scales in the criminals favor. A la Chicago.

A question that will probably get a lot of scrutiny - if you're going to allow guns AT ALL, you're going to have gun deaths. No way around it. So how many gun deaths are you willing to accept before saying guns are a problem? I'm not sure what the number is, but at this point, I don't believe we're anywhere near enough deaths to say that guns are the problem.

I'd be all in favor of passing bills that would keep guns out of criminals hands, but so far, I haven't heard any logical bills that would get the job done. Obama's bills proposed in the OP's article SEEM pretty common sense. I don't think they'll reduce gun crime in a noticeable fashion, but they don't seem to infringe on the majority of gun owner's rights. It's the part about snowballing regulation that worries me about any sort of new rules getting on the books.

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The problem with the no-fly list, and the mental disability requisite, is that they're both not real clear on how you get placed on those lists, nor is there any way of getting yourself off the lists once you can prove you're competent to own a gun.

DHS is currently or will soon be notifying all U.S citizens who are on the no-fly list that they are on the list and why. Also, one can appeal their listing and have their status changed.

The Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits any person from selling or otherwise transferring a firearm or ammunition to any person who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective” or “committed to any mental institution.” According to federal regulations, a person has been “adjudicated as a mental defective” if a court, board, commission or other lawful authority has determined that he or she, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease: (1) is a danger to himself, herself, or others, or (2) lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.

Most people including Senator Cornyn with his proposed legislation (and the NRA) think keeping guns from the mentally ill is a worthy objective. Is it totally achievable? Is any law totally effective???

[Bitter Clinger]

Used your data (not verified)

[chart showing mass shootings by president deleted to save space]

See
http://www.snopes.com/mass-shootings-obama/

Is the chart supposed to show that that need to keep guns out of the hands of crazies is growing?

The chart illustrates, to me, the simple fact that lawlessness has markedly increased under this failed presidency.

If Obama really wants to crack down on gun violence, which we all know to be untrue, then his corrupt and dishonest DOJ should be held acountable for NOT enforcing the laws that are already on the books. Obama's goal is to disarm us and remove any and all protection from a government gone astray - why else would he also be promoting making body armor illegal?

A real President would declare war on the real threat -- radical Islamic terrorism and illegal immigration. How would you feel if your loved one was gunned down in cold blood by an illegal who had been deported several times for prior felonies? Would you blame the gun? Really?

[twjones]

This is from a Fox News article (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01 ... tcmp=hpbt2)...

Would someone please explain this because I'm not following it? Thank you in advance.

Under current law, federally licensed firearms dealers are required to seek background checks on potential firearm purchasers. But advocacy groups say many sellers are currently exempt from having to register, increasing the chance of sales to customers prohibited by law from purchasing a gun.

How?

Or is this referring to person-to-person private sales?

Again, thank you.

[parabelum]

Here is the true impact of the "gun problem".

There are 312 million people in the US.

According to the CDC, there are roughly 32,000 deaths a year in the US and declining from Gun Violence.

This means you have a 0.00010256410256410300% chance of death by gun. (...)

America DOES NOT have a gun problem.

So sad to read such things here. We agree that there are hundreds or thousands (!!!) of deaths which could be avoided - parents, children or grand-parents. And you honestly want to argue that there is no problem?!? Every single one of them is a tragedy on its own!

I have lived in the US for quite some time - and reading that makes me very sad. I am afraid you guys have a VERY SERIOUS gun problem...

People like you are an embarrassment to those of us who came here from Europe, if you are in fact from Europe.
Either way, if you are here, you ought to show respect to the country that welcomed your sad behind here and understand the rights that you can enjoy, that in some places of the world you cannot.
Be proud to be here, if not, don't go away angry , just go away.

[canvasbck]

The problem with the no-fly list, and the mental disability requisite, is that they're both not real clear on how you get placed on those lists, nor is there any way of getting yourself off the lists once you can prove you're competent to own a gun.

DHS is currently or will soon be notifying all U.S citizens who are on the no-fly list that they are on the list and why. Also, one can appeal their listing and have their status changed.

OK, the way Due Process works is not infringe on your rights THEN you get due process. The government ALLOWING you to appeal AFTER they have already stripped away your freedoms is not how things are supposed to work.

[K5GU]

The purpose of his speeches and EO's as a lame duck POTUS is to try and offset his failures e.g. health care, terrorism, environmental, economy, etc., and are nothing but an effort to pump up his "legacy".

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Used your data (not verified)

[chart showing mass shootings by president deleted to save space]

See
http://www.snopes.com/mass-shootings-obama/

Is the chart supposed to show that that need to keep guns out of the hands of crazies is growing?

The chart illustrates, to me, the simple fact that lawlessness has markedly increased under this failed presidency.

Ok, you don't believe Snopes, then how about Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_ ... ted_States ???

[sjfcontrol]

Used your data (not verified)

[chart showing mass shootings by president deleted to save space]

See
http://www.snopes.com/mass-shootings-obama/

Is the chart supposed to show that that need to keep guns out of the hands of crazies is growing?

The chart illustrates, to me, the simple fact that lawlessness has markedly increased under this failed presidency.

Ok, you don't believe Snopes, then how about Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_ ... ted_States ???

Is it somehow not allowed to discuss what the intent of the chart was, regardless of whether valid data was used to create it? What was the creator trying to prove with the numbers he chose?