Our welfare system recipients.

[03Lightningrocks]

On a more entertaining note. I have a young man working for me who I recently found out has managed to qualify for a food card. I am not sure how much he receives but was told it is 200 a week by one of his co-workers. Here is the rub. I could not figure out why this guy didn't care if his hours worked were low. Here is the deal. If he works too many hours, he loses some of his food card money. In his mind this means he is working for free. Pretty funny. Don't you think. Here is another good one. We offer health insurance but thanks to the libtards, our rates have exploded to the point my employees cannot afford dependent coverage. How do they deal with the problem of insurance? Well, a program called chips. Again, the catch is, they cannot make over a certain income or they start losing the chips benefits. So, once again, the government gives inspiration to Americans to refuse to work over a certain amount of hours.

Pretty funny, don't you think?

How many in here receive chips? Again... You have no right to cry if you do. You are also part of the destruction of our country. Everyone likes their freebies and acts like the other guy is a bad guy for trying to get sum too.

[The Annoyed Man]

If you want to rail against people that are abusing the system, you should read this: http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

OK, so I read it, and I get it, but I still find the article disturbing. In talking about Jaleel, the "disabled" school kid who loves school. His family wants him to stay disabled because they get $700/month on his disability, and that is their primary means of income. But does the article suggest they get jobs? No. Here's what it says:

I haven't taken a survey or anything, but I'm guessing a large majority of Americans would be in favor of some form of government support for disabled children living in poverty. We would have a hard time agreeing on exactly how we want to offer support, but I think there are some basic things we'd all agree on.

Bill Clinton (to his credit) helped to put an end to it the last time we tried this........people having babies for the sole reason that they got more welfare money for it.

So at what point exactly do Americans STOP encouraging sloth? Benjamin Franklin wrote the following, and if I recall correctly, he was commenting on conditions in France at the time, but his (wise) counsel was that we should avoid the same situation:

“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

If 1 in 4 Americans is collecting a disability check with the numbers climbing, we have a big problem. If there are companies like Public Consulting Group getting paid, by states, $2,300 for each and every state welfare recipient they can convert over to the federal disability program (it's in your article), we have a big problem. Public Consulting Group is is getting PAID to implement the Cloward-Pivens Strategy.

How soon after the system implodes from direct actions taken to force its implosion do we resort to force of arms to defend our little pieces of turf and feed our kids? The American Model isn't failing because it can't work if left to its own devices, it is failing because there is a segment of our population who are traitors who do not not want it to work because they seek to replace it with their flavor of totalitarianism. They deserve the death penalty.

[The Annoyed Man]

How many in here receive chips? Again... You have no right to cry if you do. You are also part of the destruction of our country. Everyone likes their freebies and acts like the other guy is a bad guy for trying to get sum too.

I don't even know what that is. Can you please explain? As someone who pays out of pocket for ALL of his medical expenses and who is about to start being fined to pay for other people's health insurance, I am about ready to hoist the Jolly Roger. Maybe "chips" (or whatever it's called) will help push me over the edge.

[chuck j]

I agree with much that The Annoyed Man has to say . This is a topic I have to watch myself on , I could go ballistic over welfare . Welfare is a major component in the destruction of our society . The 'ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE" started in the early 60's with the WAR ON POVERTY witch was a total failure . We now are living out a WALKING DEAD societal scenario .

[JJVP]

How many in here receive chips? Again... You have no right to cry if you do. You are also part of the destruction of our country. Everyone likes their freebies and acts like the other guy is a bad guy for trying to get sum too.

I don't even know what that is. Can you please explain? As someone who pays out of pocket for ALL of his medical expenses and who is about to start being fined to pay for other people's health insurance, I am about ready to hoist the Jolly Roger. Maybe "chips" (or whatever it's called) will help push me over the edge.

Children's Health Insurance Program

http://chipmedicaid.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.chipcoverspakids.com/faq/abo ... -coverage/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[JJVP]

Your right , it's not fraud ...........it's premeditated greed .

So, corporations doing what the law allows them it do to maximize profits is greed. I guess if you put money into an IRA or 401k to reduce your taxable income, and keep more of your own money, that is also premeditated greed, right? Is it now our duty to supply the government all their wants? And if we want to, legally, reduce our "contribution" to the government, are we now greedy? Guess you don't take any deductions on your income tax either, right?

[chuck j]

Put up something worth a reply , thank you .

[03Lightningrocks]

How many in here receive chips? Again... You have no right to cry if you do. You are also part of the destruction of our country. Everyone likes their freebies and acts like the other guy is a bad guy for trying to get sum too.

I don't even know what that is. Can you please explain? As someone who pays out of pocket for ALL of his medical expenses and who is about to start being fined to pay for other people's health insurance, I am about ready to hoist the Jolly Roger. Maybe "chips" (or whatever it's called) will help push me over the edge.

Children's Health Insurance Program

http://chipmedicaid.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.chipcoverspakids.com/faq/abo ... -coverage/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Correct...and most people would be blown away at how easy it is for a person to abuse the program.

[03Lightningrocks]

Your right , it's not fraud ...........it's premeditated greed .

So, corporations doing what the law allows them it do to maximize profits is greed. I guess if you put money into an IRA or 401k to reduce your taxable income, and keep more of your own money, that is also premeditated greed, right? Is it now our duty to supply the government all their wants? And if we want to, legally, reduce our "contribution" to the government, are we now greedy? Guess you don't take any deductions on your income tax either, right?

Chuck appears to be confused between wealth redistribution and wealth creation. It also appears chuck doesn't recognize the fact that a person on welfare does not pay salaries or contribute in any way to society or the advancement of human kind.

It appears chuck is bothered by a person or group of people working hard, achieving a goal and contributing to society. Maybe even jealous?

Chuck, if you work hard, you too can have part of the American dream and even support others through your own success. Like these very companies you seem to have such disdain for.

When was the last time you recieved a paycheck or heard of anyone receiving a paycheck from a free rider of the system?

[chuck j]

LOL ! At a more naive period of my forum beginings I would argue with folks like you but not now , you just need to get back under your bridge and sulk a while .

[03Lightningrocks]

LOL ! At a more naive period of my forum beginings I would argue with folks like you but not now , you just need to get back under your bridge and sulk a while .

So now chuck feels compelled to post up that my very keen observations of his naïveté are incorrect. Chuck explains to us that in his earlier days on the forum, he would have argued about what is so apparent to ALL who read his displeasure with a free society, but now that he is an old timer around here, roughly about six weeks, he will refrain.

Thanks Chuck. I think I have your number now.

[The Annoyed Man]

Your right , it's not fraud ...........it's premeditated greed .

So, corporations doing what the law allows them it do to maximize profits is greed. I guess if you put money into an IRA or 401k to reduce your taxable income, and keep more of your own money, that is also premeditated greed, right? Is it now our duty to supply the government all their wants? And if we want to, legally, reduce our "contribution" to the government, are we now greedy? Guess you don't take any deductions on your income tax either, right?

Greed is good.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house.

So we can acquire as much as we want, so long as we don't want our neighbor's house.



(This is not my actual theology....it just seemed funny...)

[Lucky]

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house.

I think ENVY is the deadly sin that applies there.

[VoiceofReason]

Complaining is easy. Tell me what you (meaning everyone) would do with the truly disabled and unemployable.

[cb1000rider]

Complaining is easy. Tell me what you (meaning everyone) would do with the truly disabled and unemployable.

I think that's a great question. I saw one posting indicating that we don't have any sort of constitutional based responsibility to care for them. And I agree from the legal point of view, nothing in the constitution requires that... But making that comparison is a bit like looking for a pineapple in an vegetable garden. Therefore we let them survive on public good will, economic outreach from religious organizations, and private funding. Sounds good - can we count on it in all economic conditions?

I would establish a minimum standard of care/lifestyle and pay for it with tax dollars. I don't like it, but that's the choice I'd make. Lots of people here aren't going to like that, but how many are going to raise their hands and say that we should handle it the way we did before the 1940s?

It's the same sort of moral / ethical question when it comes to emergency medical care. Should we really turn people away from public care? In some cases, people will die as a result. I know that doctors are going to have a very hard time with that as a purely economic decision.