Illinios Gov. Arrested??

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If nothing else, those dems sure are predictable. The shock is that it got reported at all!!

Not gun related but illustrates the hypocrisy of democrats in general. I suspect if this story has no legs by Jan 21, it will die and this dude won't spend a day in jail and will probably get to be a senator.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_ ... tion_probe
CHICAGO – Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on Tuesday on charges that he brazenly conspired to sell or trade the U.S. Senate seat left vacant by President-elect Barack Obama to the highest bidder.

Blagojevich also was charged with illegally threatening to withhold state assistance to Tribune Co., the owner of the Chicago Tribune, in the sale of Wrigley Field, according to a federal criminal complaint. In return for state assistance, Blagojevich allegedly wanted members of the paper's editorial board who had been critical of him fired.

A 76-page FBI affidavit said the 51-year-old Democratic governor was intercepted on court-authorized wiretaps over the last month conspiring to sell or trade the vacant Senate seat for personal benefits for himself and his wife, Patti.

Otherwise, Blagojevich considered appointing himself. The affidavit said that as late as Nov. 3, he told his deputy governor that if "they're not going to offer me anything of value I might as well take it."

"I'm going to keep this Senate option for me a real possibility, you know, and therefore I can drive a hard bargain," Blagojevich allegedly said later that day, according to the affidavit, which also quoted him as saying in a remark punctuated by profanity that the seat was "a valuable thing — you just don't give it away for nothing."

The affidavit said Blagojevich also discussed getting a substantial salary for himself at a nonprofit foundation or an organization affiliated with labor unions.

It said Blagojevich also talked about getting his wife placed on corporate boards where she might get $150,000 a year in director's fees.

He also allegedly discussed getting campaign funds for himself or possibly a post in the president's cabinet or an ambassadorship once he left the governor's office. He noted becoming a U.S. senator might remake his image for a possible presidential run in 2016, according to the affidavit. And he allegedly said a Senate seat would also provide him with corporate contacts if he needed a job and present an opportunity for his wife to work as a lobbyist.

"I want to make money," the affidavit quotes him as saying in one conversation.

The affidavit said Blagojevich expressed frustration at being "stuck" as governor and that he would have access to greater resources if he were indicted while in the U.S. Senate than while sitting as governor.

U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald said in a statement that "the breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering."

"They allege that Blagojevich put a for sale sign on the naming of a United States senator," Fitzgerald said."

Messages left for Blagojevich spokesman Lucio Guerrero and at the governor's press office were not immediately returned Tuesday morning.

Among those being considered for the Senate post include U.S. Reps. Danny Davis and Jesse Jackson Jr.

The affidavit outlined a Nov. 10 call between Blagojevich, his wife, his chief of staff — John Harris, who also was arrested Tuesday — and a group of advisers in which Harris allegedly suggested working out an agreement with the Service Employees International Union.

Under the plan, Blagojevich would appoint a new senator who would be helpful to the president-elect and in turn get a job as head of Change to Win, a group formed by the union. The union would get an unspecified favor from Obama later.

Nothing in the court papers suggested Obama had any part in the discussion. In fact, Blagojevich allegedly said in the same conversation that Obama most likely would not appoint him as secretary of health and human services or to an ambassadorship because of the negative publicity that has surrounded the governor for three years.

One day later, according to the affidavit, Blagojevich allegedly told an associate he knew Obama wanted a specific Senate candidate but "they're not going to give me anything except appreciation." He finished the remark with an expletive.

Blagojevich also was charged with using his authority as governor in an attempt to squeeze out campaign contributions.

Corruption in the Blagojevich administration has been the focus of a federal investigation involving an alleged $7 million scheme aimed at squeezing kickbacks out of companies seeking business from the state. Federal prosecutors have acknowledged they're also investigating "serious allegations of endemic hiring fraud" under Blagojevich, who has a $177,412 salary, though it's unclear whether he accepts the total.

Political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko who raised money for the campaigns of both Blagojevich and Obama is awaiting sentencing after being convicted of fraud and other charges. Blagojevich's chief fundraiser, Christopher G. Kelly, is due to stand trial early next year on charges of obstructing the Internal Revenue Service.

According to Tuesday's complaint, Blagojevich schemed with Rezko, millionaire-fundraiser turned federal witness Stuart Levine and others to get financial benefits for himself and his campaign committee.

Federal prosecutors said Blagojevich and the chairman of his campaign committee have been speeding up corrupt fundraising activities in the last month to get as much money as possible before the end of the year when a new law would curtail his ability to raise contributions from companies with state contracts worth more than $50,000.

According to the affidavit, agents learned Blagojevich was seeking $2.5 million in campaign contributions by the end of the year, with a large part allegedly to come from companies and individuals who have gotten state contracts or appointments.

The affidavit also outlines Blagojevich conversations related to Tribune Co., which has been hoping to sell Wrigley Field, the home of the Chicago Cubs which the publishing giant also owns.

Blagojevich was quoted in court papers as telling Harris in a profanity laced Nov. 4 conversation that his recommendation to Tribune executives was to fire the editorial writers "and get us some editorial support."

Harris is quoted as telling the governor Nov. 11 that an unnamed Tribune Owner, presumably CEO Sam Zell, "got the message and is very sensitive to the issue."

The affidavit said Harris quoted a Tribune financial adviser as saying cuts were coming at the newspaper and "reading between the lines he's going after that section," apparently meaning editorial writers. Blagojevich is quoted as saying: "Oh, that's fantastic."

"Wow," Blagojevich allegedly replied. "Keep our fingers crossed. You're the man. Good job, John."

Harris allegedly told Blagojevich in his conversation with the financial adviser he had singled out deputy editorial page editor John McCormick as "somebody who was the most biased and unfair."

After hearing that, Blagojevich allegedly stressed to the head of a Chicago sports consulting firm that it was important to provide state aid for a Wrigley Field sale.

Blagojevich took the chief executive's office in 2003 as a reformer promising to clean up former Gov. George Ryan's mess.

Ryan, a Republican, is serving a 6-year prison sentence after being convicted on racketeering and fraud charges. A decade-long investigation began with the sale of driver's licenses for bribes and led to the conviction of dozens of people who worked for Ryan when he was secretary of state and governor.

FBI spokesman Frank Bochte said federal agents arrested the governor and Harris simultaneously at their homes at 6:15 a.m. and took them to the Chicago FBI headquarters.

He did not have any details about Blagojevich's arrest, only that he was cooperative with federal agents.

"It was a very calm setting," he said.

The governor was to appear later Tuesday before U.S. Magistrate Judge Nan Nolan to answer the charges. The time was not immediately set.
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What? Corrupt Illinois Politicians? I don't believe it for a second!
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What did Obama know and when did he know it? They both have extensive ties to Tony Rezko. :bigear:
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wheelgun1958 wrote:What did Obama know and when did he know it? They both have extensive ties to Tony Rezko. :bigear:
One does have to consider Blago's prior support for 0bama, and whatever other political favors got passed under the table.

I'll bet the ISRA is pretty happy right now, Blago ran for governor as a "moderate" on guns, and then turned extreme after he was elected, and of course we can expect the same from bambam.

And Richie Daley said: "Mayor Richard Daley, reacting at a news conference, said today is "a sad day. If it's true, it's very, very sad because the selection of a U.S. senator is vitally important.""

Of course dear Richie wouldn't sink so low as to participate in such things, would he???
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I wonder if they'll indict anyone who was bidding on it.

I wonder if B.O. will pardon any of his political supporters during his first month in office.
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wheelgun1958 wrote:What did Obama know and when did he know it? They both have extensive ties to Tony Rezko. :bigear:
One does have to consider Blago's prior support for 0bama, and whatever other political favors got passed under the table.

I'll bet the ISRA is pretty happy right now, Blago ran for governor as a "moderate" on guns, and then turned extreme after he was elected, and of course we can expect the same from bambam.

And Richie Daley said: "Mayor Richard Daley, reacting at a news conference, said today is "a sad day. If it's true, it's very, very sad because the selection of a U.S. senator is vitally important.""

Of course dear Richie wouldn't sink so low as to participate in such things, would he???
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The poor Land of Lincoln has so much corruption for a state that's motto is exudes honesty.

Three of the last seven governors have been charged or jailed in recent years, it is really shameful.

my blog comments on this subject here: http://www.eeul.com/mb/2008/12/we-are-sorry-mr-lincoln/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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boomerang wrote:I wonder if they'll indict anyone who was bidding on it.

I wonder if B.O. will pardon any of his political supporters during his first month in office.
I doubt it. I hear that Raml Emanuell was the one that tipped the feds off to this:
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jimlongley wrote:
wheelgun1958 wrote:And Richie Daley said: "Mayor Richard Daley, reacting at a news conference, said today is "a sad day. If it's true, it's very, very sad because the selection of a U.S. senator is vitally important.""

Of course dear Richie wouldn't sink so low as to participate in such things, would he???
He just couldn't afford the price tag.
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nitrogen wrote:
boomerang wrote:I wonder if they'll indict anyone who was bidding on it.

I wonder if B.O. will pardon any of his political supporters during his first month in office.
I doubt it. I hear that Raml Emanuell was the one that tipped the feds off to this:
http://donklephant.com/2008/12/09/did-r ... agojevich/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In the report, Individual "D" heavily advised against considering Candidate "5" for Blag's consideration regardless if that candidate could raise campaign funds or pony up 500K right off the bat for the Senate seat...

Every single one of these people need to be identified and their participation in this criminal and unethical act made public...

I think this goes higher than some want to be confirmed, and the original story even contradicts itself where Obama's concerned...

I have zero sympathy for those involved in this crime...I am just surprised that it took something like this to nail them this time...

I do believe Rahm Emmanuel tipped Fitzpatrick onto this...But the backlash may whip too far up the food chain this time...

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Chicago is the capital of corruption in the US and Illinois is a leader in the gun registration war...and that's a fact.

Illinos was registering (registering with picture ID's) shotguns, rifles and pistols when I graduated from college and moved there in 1968. As for Chicago, BHO's last place of residence and the site of Rev. Wright's ministry, its corruption is legendary. Can you say Al Capone, et al :fire ? What is interesting is the timing of all of this expose'. :totap:

BTW, there are some mighty fine people who live in, and call, Illinois home. In fact, I went to the 7th through 11th grade in southern Illinois. Good memories, first..., etc. ;-)

Oh well...
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I lived in chicago with my folks. We only lasted 10 months. It was too liberal/corrupt for my hippiefied dad. That should say a lot.
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I was born in Chicago and lived most of my first 35 years in Crook county. There are, indeed, some fine, honest, hard-working people there - but not in public office.

The parallels with Prohibition are stunning. The WCTU harped on drunkenness until the Congress banned alcohol outright. Price went up, stakes went up, big players got in the game, corruption spread, and lots of people died. Same is happening with drugs - not advocating drug use, but before 1937 most of that [expletive] stuff was legal and only a small percentage of people used them. Make it illegal, the producers distill and concentrate it down to be easier to ship, toxicity goes dramatically up, and the problem gets out of hand. Opium and coca leaves look downright benign in comparison to heroin and crack.

Once they ban semi-autos and the penalty for having a semi-auto AR-15 is identical to the penalty for having a full-auto M-16, the deterrent to converting them will be gone and the drug gangsters will shoot it out in the streets just like they did in the 20s-30s - with machine guns.

Need to change one word in the bumper sticker - Where guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.

Sorry for the rant, it is late (for me, 8:30 PM is late) and it seems like the only people who "get it" at all are folks like ya'll on this forum. Most of my colleagues at work absolutely don't get it or see the link between prohibition and corruption. Nobody needs a gun, right?

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He's just a gun banning bunny hater!
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This guy is going to hang high. BHO will try and put as much distance between himself and the gov without actually leaving US property. He isn't going to risk tarnishing his first year in office for this guy. The feds have so much on the gov there is little chance he'll get any leniency. I just wonder who will appoint the senate seat now?
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