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CCW carry at work
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:29 am
by magillapd
What would be great, and I think would solve many problems, would be if the law was explictly clear that no employer can be held criminally or civilly liable for the actions of a CHL holder, wether on the clock or not.
I think that may employers do not allow their employees to carry because they are afraid of being sued. If a law was written to fully protect an employer from the actions of a CHL holder, relating to a shooting, they may allow their employees to carry a firearm at work.
Not a lawyer, but I'm in a thinking mood today as my posts show
Re: CCW carry at work
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:51 pm
by Dave2
magillapd wrote:What would be great, and I think would solve many problems, would be if the law was explictly clear that no employer can be held criminally or civilly liable for the actions of a CHL holder, wether on the clock or not.
I think that may employers do not allow their employees to carry because they are afraid of being sued. If a law was written to fully protect an employer from the actions of a CHL holder, relating to a shooting, they may allow their employees to carry a firearm at work.
Not a lawyer, but I'm in a thinking mood today as my posts show
It's worse than that. If I'm at, say, IHOP, and some random stranger comes in the building, punches me, and leaves, IHOP is liable. And they didn't have anything to do with it. The guy wasn't even a customer. Think how much worse it would be if an
employee did something.
The smart ones always say "you can be sued for anything", but very few people realize how often you can sue
and win for anything. People can and do make a living by just suing practically everyone and collecting damages on what sticks. (I have a few choice words to describe such people, but this is supposed to be a G-rated board, so I can't even use the toned-down version.)
Anyway, the point is that
Re: CCW carry at work
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:14 pm
by bdickens
"Professional plaintiffs" is the term.
Re: CCW carry at work
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:11 pm
by WildBill
magillapd wrote:Not a lawyer, but I'm in a thinking mood today as my posts show
It sounds more like you're in a wishful mood.
Re: CCW carry at work
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:12 pm
by C-dub
Wouldn't it be nice if ...
I feel a Beach Boys song coming on. Seriously, though, I would love this if my employer would lighten up and allow CHL holders to carry at work. I'm anxious about the parking lot bill, but this would be the icing on the cake. However, in this paranoid misinformed world, I don't think it will happen.
Re: CCW carry at work
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:25 pm
by WildBill
C-dub wrote:Wouldn't it be nice if ...
I feel a Beach Boys song coming on. Seriously, though, I would love this if my employer would lighten up and allow CHL holders to carry at work. I'm anxious about the parking lot bill, but this would be the icing on the cake. However, in this paranoid misinformed world, I don't think it will happen.
I think the parking lot bill is a real possibility. Company policies are a different animal.
Re: CCW carry at work
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:27 pm
by CJATE
magillapd wrote:What would be great, and I think would solve many problems, would be if the law was explictly clear that no employer can be held criminally or civilly liable for the actions of a CHL holder, wether on the clock or not.
I think that may employers do not allow their employees to carry because they are afraid of being sued. If a law was written to fully protect an employer from the actions of a CHL holder, relating to a shooting, they may allow their employees to carry a firearm at work.
Not a lawyer, but I'm in a thinking mood today as my posts show
this is a good idea,
i asked my employees not to carry at work. i was in a tough spot as there was only one i thought had a CHL but did not trust him (with a gun)... good employ, but i did not want him carrying around my customers... but i encouraged them to carry in their cars... i know they thought i was a hypocrite as i carried, but i trust me
Re: CCW carry at work
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:19 am
by TexasFTW
Is this SB 730 going up for vote again? Where can you find out when it's going up for vote and similar details?
TIA,
Magnus
Re: CCW carry at work
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:11 am
by JCole
The Legislature isn't in session yet. No bills have been filed.
Here's the link for the Texas Legislature, including all the bills when they do get filed...
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: CCW carry at work
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:36 pm
by CWOOD
Actually, the "parking lot bill" WAS worded so as to eliminate liability exposure for businesses regarding the use of firearm by an employee that had stored a weapon in a locked vehicle.
Regarding the legislature, in Texas the legislature only meets in regular session every two year in 'odd' numbered years. Bills do not carry over from one session to another. In each session, any unfinished business must be filed in a new bill as new business.
Hope that clarifies.
Re: CCW carry at work
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:01 pm
by bizarrenormality
The parking lot bill was blocked. If gun rights are important to you REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!
Re: CCW carry at work
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:07 pm
by quidni
I work for the state in a customer-service agency. We have an unenforceable "no concealed weapons allowed" sign on our front door... and a note in the employee manual that no weapons are allowed, period. Being a good employee, and actually liking my job, I comply with this policy, but it would be nice if the state could not prohibit its employees from exercising their rights under a permit that the state itself issued.
Re: CCW carry at work
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:54 pm
by C-dub
quidni wrote: it would be nice if the state could not prohibit its employees from exercising their rights under a permit that the state itself issued.
That is kind of ironic, isn't it?