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DOJ tries another back door??

Simple distraction. Look at my left and you'll ignore my right hand.

This is a case of "Look! We are doing something about the guns going to Mexico (while implementing more gun control at the same time)." Pretty obvious actually.

Now we have the answer to the age old question. They are NEITHER magazines or clips. They're "cartridges!"

Photo captionin posted link: "In this June 19, 2010 file photo, AK-47 assault rifle cartridges fill a box at a gun and knife show in White Plains, N.Y."

NRANews NRA News

#NRA: We'll sue over new reporting rule for multiple gun buys - http://politi.co/nDuOws" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (via @Politico)
34 minutes ago

Darrell Issa: New border gun rules a distraction from Fast and Furious scandal - http://ht.ly/5BUQh" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
51 minutes ago

Is anybody really surprised by this? Obama and Holder are looking to deflect and distract their actions with Fast and Furious, Holder blatently lied to Congress as to what he knows about that failed program that resulted in an agents death. Rather than be responsible for their actions this administration has constantly gone on the attack, this administration is all about the party and politics pushing a far left agenda to satisfy their core base........... I believe that this is the first of many actions and executive orders that will come out of the White House.........

WASHINGTON -- In an effort to stem the illicit flow of weapons into Mexico, the Justice Department announced Monday that all gun shops in four Southwest border states will be required to alert the federal government to frequent buyers of high-powered rifles.

So the ATF is going to have the Store owners inform them that the ATF is buying a lot of guns ????? Yup, thats governmental circular logic..

Just for clarification.... Are they requiring reporting of those purchases, or denial of those purchases? How are they going to handle multiple purchases within a 5 day period of stripped lowers? Will it affect THIS GROUP BUY?

The Annoyed Man wrote:Just for clarification.... Are they requiring reporting of those purchases, or denial of those purchases? How are they going to handle multiple purchases within a 5 day period of stripped lowers? Will it affect THIS GROUP BUY?

I believe it is reported but they cannot deny you.

<sarcasm>The only reason they want this new reporting rule is to see who the competition is for supply the cartels with guns, after all it's hurting their business.</sarcasm>

Actually multiple transaction reports are kept on file and I believe that they are not required to be destroyed which gives the government a de-facto (although incomplete) registry. After they get this the next step is to expand it to the other 46 states, then get reporting of single handgun/rifle sales in the "4 border states", and finally getting that expanded to all fifty which will result in a registry of all guns transferred through FFLs. We are fighting incrementalism, and the enemy is very patient.

loadedliberal wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:Just for clarification.... Are they requiring reporting of those purchases, or denial of those purchases? How are they going to handle multiple purchases within a 5 day period of stripped lowers? Will it affect THIS GROUP BUY?

I believe it is reported but they cannot deny you.

They just need to work towards reporting all sales and storing on computers instead of paper records in boxes. (they think)

I heard that when Iraq invaded Kuwait, they went to the records office, so it would be easier to locate and collect the citizens guns because of record keeping.... dunno the validity of that assertion though.

Back door/way to not call it "registration" increases their database with "multiple purchases" people to add on to

a "watch list" Like the "terrorist watch list" "no fly list" etc.

The way it will work is that when the buyer completes the 4473 the selling dealer lists the items purchased, if over 2 within a 5 day period there is a form that must be completed by the FFL and sent to the ATF and the local Chief of Police or Sheriff, which ever has jurisdiction. This does not stop a person who goes to different places to make the purchases on the same day, this is just another feel good rule that will have no impact on the illegal purchasers, and creates additional paperwork for the FFL's. I would not be surprised to see Obama now push for a national registry, this administration is going to do anything it can to deflect blame from Fast and Furious and this is just another way he can claim victory to the anti's and that he stood up to the NRA............

Since it only affects border States, Glenn Beck was asking if he needed to buy 12 50 cal rifles prior to moving to Texas; and asking what to buy when he gets here.

This is a nefarious plan by the gun dealers of Nevada, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana
to increase their sales volumes! :-)

By the way, even though paperwork may be filed, there can be no effect if no ATF types are following up.
Some years ago, the Feds required banks to file documents whenever anyone made a deposit = or > $10,000 in cash.
They stumbled across a money launderer during a criminal investigation. He had routinely been making deposits big
enough to have these documents filed.

The banks he was using were filing all the proper documentation - but nobody was monitoring the paperwork!!
I'd like to think the same thing will happen with the new paper trail. Of course the NRA lawsuit may stop this, but later.

SIA

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:This is a nefarious plan by the gun dealers of Nevada, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana
to increase their sales volumes! :-)

By the way, even though paperwork may be filed, there can be no effect if no ATF types are following up.
Some years ago, the Feds required banks to file documents whenever anyone made a deposit = or > $10,000 in cash.
They stumbled across a money launderer during a criminal investigation. He had routinely been making deposits big
enough to have these documents filed.

The banks he was using were filing all the proper documentation - but nobody was monitoring the paperwork!!
I'd like to think the same thing will happen with the new paper trail. Of course the NRA lawsuit may stop this, but later.

SIA

Just to prove how they are working on that incrementalism, the minimum amount to trigger reporting a check to the feds is now $1,000. I suspect it to be the same for EFT and cash amounts as well.

G.A. Heath wrote:

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:This is a nefarious plan by the gun dealers of Nevada, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana
to increase their sales volumes! :-)

By the way, even though paperwork may be filed, there can be no effect if no ATF types are following up.
Some years ago, the Feds required banks to file documents whenever anyone made a deposit = or > $10,000 in cash.
They stumbled across a money launderer during a criminal investigation. He had routinely been making deposits big
enough to have these documents filed.

The banks he was using were filing all the proper documentation - but nobody was monitoring the paperwork!!
I'd like to think the same thing will happen with the new paper trail. Of course the NRA lawsuit may stop this, but later.

SIA

Just to prove how they are working on that incrementalism, the minimum amount to trigger reporting a check to the feds is now $1,000. I suspect it to be the same for EFT and cash amounts as well.

The "Bank Secrecy Act" required CASH transactions (withdrawals or deposits) of $10,000 or more to be reported. I don't believe giving somebody a check (for any amount) would be reported. Do you have some backup that the amount is now $1000?