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Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Americ
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:43 pm
by Ziran
I found this well worth reading:
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The Republicans may as well stop their soul-searching and look at the reality of the Democrat electorate. In addition to those Republican voters who stayed home on Election Day, the hard-core (so-called) progressives, the inadequate Republican ground game, and those who pay little or no federal tax and are happy to elect those who promise to take larger sums from those who DO pay, there's a more profound and possibly intractable problem. From my countless discussions with Democrats/liberals, it seems clear that many, many voters - we will never be sure of their numbers - neither hear, nor are interested in hearing, the stance of conservatives or Republicans.
I'm often incredulous at the self-satisfied political ignorance and gullibility of successful, otherwise high-functioning and intellectually curious Democrats. The range and depth of their ignorance regarding easily ascertainable facts is astounding ("No, President Obama has NOT increased the deficit: that's a lie! For your information, President Obama has spent less than any President in history!"); and many, in my experience, cite the New York Times as their irrefutable source of information, with phrases like: "The Times didn't mention it so it can't be true or relevant...."
For these people, it really doesn't matter what conservatives or Republicans think or say: they won't hear it! Republican positions are totally lost - unheard and meaningless - to a growing number of the electorate, including huge swaths of highly-educated and effective leaders in society
Re: Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Am
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:56 pm
by O.F.Fascist
My reason 1. Wasting time on social issues and then being show as hypocrites when they themselves fail to live up to the morality that they espouse.
Re: Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Am
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:26 pm
by Jumping Frog
Well, you just totally depressed me.
The article is accurate, and it is a bitter pill.
I'd be more interested in talking about solutions now that diagnostics are completed: what are effective strategies to combat this?
Re: Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Am
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:30 pm
by K.Mooneyham
Though there are some good points and ideas there, I disagree that the situation is unable to be improved or changed. The current administration and the liberal-progressive power brokers are setting themselves up for a fall. Times change, generations change, thought patterns change...and no matter how "good" the current admin and their ideological ilk are, they can't keep a lid on everything forever. Something WILL give at some point...and I predict that it will NOT be very pretty. They think they are going to get a perfect liberal-progressive "utopia" with the upper crust elites smoothly running the ill-educated rabble but it ain't that easy. History teaches that when you tear a nation down, the aftermath is ugly business, indeed.
Re: Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Am
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:37 pm
by K.Mooneyham
O.F.Fascist wrote:My reason 1. Wasting time on social issues and then being show as hypocrites when they themselves fail to live up to the morality that they espouse.
Saul Alinsky thanks you for falling for RULE 4:
“Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)
No human being EVER lives up to what all they say they will do 100%, and expecting them to is asking for trouble. Its why we have contracts, on paper, or its electronic equivalents. Why don't people ever hold any Democrat politicians to what they say? They promise utopia...I ain't seen it yet. Why is that okay?
Re: Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Am
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:43 pm
by O.F.Fascist
K.Mooneyham wrote:
No human being EVER lives up to what all they say they will do 100%, and expecting them to is asking for trouble. Its why we have contracts, on paper, or its electronic equivalents. Why don't people ever hold any Democrat politicians to what they say? They promise utopia...I ain't seen it yet. Why is that okay?
Perhaps elected politicians who claim to support smaller government should actively try to repeal legislation instead of at best growing government slower than the other guy. I don't like to support hypocrites.
Re: Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Am
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:11 pm
by mamabearCali
O.F.Fascist wrote:My reason 1. Wasting time on social issues and then being show as hypocrites when they themselves fail to live up to the morality that they espouse.
As those social issues are usually abortion and gay marriage, I will respond, and I will attempt to do so within the parameters of this forum. I do not think that the interest of the country are served by promoting murder and debauchery, that is my opinion. You vote as you feel. If you don't think those things are important by all means vote your conscience. But don't deride me for voting mine.
The second amendment is a social issue too.....should we not be concerned about that?
Re: Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Am
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:14 pm
by JALLEN
Romney lost because he said if elected he would put Americans back to work. They said "Stuff that!" or words to that effect.
Re: Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Am
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:28 am
by jmra
Our founding fathers worst nightmares are occurring in front of our eyes. They developed a system which gave a voice to producers. Those who contributed to society, those whose success depended on the success of the community and the country.
That voice is growing weaker and weaker as the voice of those sucking the life out of the country grows louder and louder. How much "milk" does the old pig have left to give? How much "honey" is left in the pot? Things will change, one way or another.
Re: Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Am
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:32 am
by anygunanywhere
Wait. I thought that at least here in Texas, the Hispanics were going to swing our way since they are mostly conservative!
Anygunanywhere
Re: Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Am
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:05 am
by Purplehood
I must be dumb.
I didn't see 'three reasons'.
All that I took from the article is that liberals are stupid and too dumb to figure things out for themselves.
I didn't find that a useful article in the least.
Re: Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Am
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:47 am
by canvasbck
mamabearCali wrote:O.F.Fascist wrote:My reason 1. Wasting time on social issues and then being show as hypocrites when they themselves fail to live up to the morality that they espouse.
As those social issues are usually abortion and gay marriage, I will respond, and I will attempt to do so within the parameters of this forum. I do not think that the interest of the country are served by promoting murder and debauchery, that is my opinion. You vote as you feel. If you don't think those things are important by all means vote your conscience. But don't deride me for voting mine.
The second amendment is a social issue too.....should we not be concerned about that?
Mamabear, I agree with you on the abortion issue, abortion is the taking of another human life, plain and simple. Many libertarian (small l on purpose) leaning conservatives will ask why do you care what gay couples are doing. I happen to be a libertarian leaning conservative. I don't see where the government has any business getting involved in things that do not victimize other citizens. I have been a reliable (R) vote for my entire adult life mainly because I feel that progressivism is a bigger threat to our society than nanny statism. The "47%" who are dependant on the government are not the only reasons that Republicans are losing. They are also losing because a growing number of Americans want the government out of their lives, many of these people stayed home. Every person who lives in our society does something every day that they wouldn't have done on their own, or doesn't do something that they would have done just to be in compliance with government regulations.........EVERY DAY.
If there ever were a VIABLE candidate who took the following stance, I would vote for him/her/it in a heartbeat. "As long as you are leaving other folks alone, the government should leave you alone. We will only take as much money as we need to provide the things that the government is responsible to provide. The government is not responsible for your good decisions or your bad decisions. If you are a great manager and make a gazillion dolars, congrats! If you choose to blow all of your income on drugs, gambling, having a litter of children, or whatever other vice of your choosing, sorry but you got yourself into this mess, time to climb out of it on your own. We'll give you the tools to help you climb out, but we will not support you while you wallow in self pity. We will take care of those who can not care for themselves, but not those who chose to not care for themselves. Churches and other charitable organizations are not our enemies and have the same right to exist and promote their views as everyone else, if your offended because someone prayed to a God that you don't believe in right before a football game at a high school stadium, ignore the prayer, you have that choice. The government should not be concerned with what you own, what you put into your own body, or what deviant behavior you chose to participate in your own home until such time as these things are used to victimize others. When that happens, you will be locked up for a very long time and you will work to earn your three hots and a cot while you are locked up."
And no, I'm not gay and I don't do drugs, nor do I have any desire for either. I just agree wholeheartedly with what Ted Nugent told Peirs "Leave us the <heck> alone!" This applies to more than just guns.
Re: Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Am
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:23 am
by mamabearCali
Canvasback. I do not care what they do in their bedrooms. But that has already been accomplished in this country that they can do as they wish. Note that this is not the case in many Islamic countries where he left is having a love affair right now. Now the gay lobby quite openly wishes to make everyone not only tolerate them, but to force everyone agree that what they are doing is perfectly fine, healthy, and they wish to teach small children this. They hide under "anti bullying" laws and then bully others who think differently than them. They are not bashful about this, tolerance for everyone except those that disagree with their choices. That is where I draw the line.
Do what you want, but don't force others to give you a ribbon for it.
Re: Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Am
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:29 am
by mr surveyor
just curious, but in the Liberterian Utopia, who ends up caring for the "litter of children" spawned by the crack heads that made the wrong choices?
Re: Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for Am
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:25 pm
by SherwoodForest
"Hispanics" have been voting in Texas for a long time, and Democrats comprise approximately 1/3 of the State legislature, and can't seem to get elected AG, Lt. Governor, or Governor since Ann Richards .
All the GOP has to do is not repeat the mistake of 2016.
I predict Obama will be impeached during his present term. That will be his "legacy".