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NRA 2013 election

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:26 am
by jframe.38
I received my ballot in my copy of America's First Freedom and American Rifleman. I would like to hear the opinions of those on the forum.

I'm leaning toward Marion Hammer, Bob Barr and Ted Nugent. Is there anyone else on the ballot you like or don't care for.

Re: NRA 2013 election

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:39 am
by The_Busy_Mom
Check out this thread, if you haven't already.

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Re: NRA 2013 election

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:52 pm
by gringo pistolero
When should we start worrying if we haven't received a ballot?

Re: NRA 2013 election

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:01 pm
by Skiprr
O.F.Fascist wrote:Well if you are curious on what they are discussing over at ARFCOM.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/144599 ... ming_.html

best way to do so is to vote for 25 people excluding him. There are 29 candidates so just pick the 4 you don't want to vote for and vote for everyone else.
Sorry, but that's not a good action for the folks at ARFCOM to recommend.

Voting for the NRA directors is not like your high-school SAT test. Filling in every dot doesn't get you any any "maybe" points.

Choose only those candidates you want. Do not vote for other candidates.

The votes are counted on a simple "for" number. The most "for" votes gets elected.

The notion of eliminating four candidates and voting for the other 25 will have a somewhat opposite effect: candidates you might otherwise choose not to vote for can slide into office on the heels of others. If you feel strongly about, say, eight of the candidates, vote only for those eight.

Re: NRA 2013 election

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:48 am
by Skiprr
Skiprr wrote:
gringo pistolero wrote:When should we start worrying if we haven't received a ballot?
Now. You should have received your ballot either in the March edition of American Rifleman or American Freedom, or in a separate snail-mail envelope.

Any ballot not received by April 14 will not be counted.

If you haven't received a ballot, I would call NRA HQ first thing Monday morning.

Re: NRA 2013 election

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:16 am
by apostate
Skiprr wrote:
Skiprr wrote:
gringo pistolero wrote:When should we start worrying if we haven't received a ballot?
Now. You should have received your ballot either in the March edition of American Rifleman or American Freedom, or in a separate snail-mail envelope.

Any ballot not received by April 14 will not be counted.

If you haven't received a ballot, I would call NRA HQ first thing Monday morning.
I'm in the same boat. I can't recall the last time I received my American Rifleman, and I didn't receive a separate ballot.

Perhaps we can get the department that sends the "URGENT REMINDER" upgrade letters to send the ballots. They don't miss a beat. ;-)

Re: NRA 2013 election

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:02 pm
by O.F.Fascist
FWIW I signed up as a life member on February 27th and I just received my ballot today.

I still have not received my membership packet and new card though.

Re: NRA 2013 election

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:44 pm
by O.F.Fascist
Skiprr wrote: Choose only those candidates you want. Do not vote for other candidates.

The votes are counted on a simple "for" number. The most "for" votes gets elected.

The notion of eliminating four candidates and voting for the other 25 will have a somewhat opposite effect: candidates you might otherwise choose not to vote for can slide into office on the heels of others. If you feel strongly about, say, eight of the candidates, vote only for those eight.
I think you are misunderstanding how this is supposed to work. You would be correct if we were trying to get one or two people elected, then the optimal strategy would be to vote for only those people.

We are trying to vote someone out, to do that 25 other people need to have more votes than them. So in this instance the optimal strategy is to vote for 25 people and preferably the same 25.

There are 29 names on the ballot so people who want this to work should vote for all but 4 names. The arfcom thread suggests 3 people NOT to vote for, with the 4th as a free choice.

Re: NRA 2013 election

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:49 am
by Skiprr
O.F.Fascist wrote:
Skiprr wrote: Choose only those candidates you want. Do not vote for other candidates.

The votes are counted on a simple "for" number. The most "for" votes gets elected.

The notion of eliminating four candidates and voting for the other 25 will have a somewhat opposite effect: candidates you might otherwise choose not to vote for can slide into office on the heels of others. If you feel strongly about, say, eight of the candidates, vote only for those eight.
I think you are misunderstanding how this is supposed to work. You would be correct if we were trying to get one or two people elected, then the optimal strategy would be to vote for only those people.

We are trying to vote someone out, to do that 25 other people need to have more votes than them. So in this instance the optimal strategy is to vote for 25 people and preferably the same 25.

There are 29 names on the ballot so people who want this to work should vote for all but 4 names. The arfcom thread suggests 3 people NOT to vote for, with the 4th as a free choice.
I have been an NRA life member for many years; I am now a Patron Member. I am thrilled you became an NRA life member last month. Thank you.

However, I think you are misunderstanding how this is supposed to work.

Voting for NRA Directors is supposed to be about selecting the best people for the job. It's about honor, integrity, intent, belief, work-ethic, and deep personal commitment.

In any board of directors--especially non-profits--Paredo's Law applies: 20% do 80% of the work. I've been on the boards of two non-profits for over nine years.

Flooding votes for all but your disfavored few candidates does nothing but perhaps inadvertently voting in[/u ]some directors you might rail against come three years' time.

Vote for whom you want. You are voting for an NRA board member, not against a specific nominee. The ballot doesn't have an "I don't like him" button. Leave the button blank for those whom you do not want to be an NRA board member.

It's that simple.

Re: NRA 2013 election

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:51 am
by RPBrown
Skiprr wrote:
O.F.Fascist wrote:
Skiprr wrote: Choose only those candidates you want. Do not vote for other candidates.

The votes are counted on a simple "for" number. The most "for" votes gets elected.

The notion of eliminating four candidates and voting for the other 25 will have a somewhat opposite effect: candidates you might otherwise choose not to vote for can slide into office on the heels of others. If you feel strongly about, say, eight of the candidates, vote only for those eight.
I think you are misunderstanding how this is supposed to work. You would be correct if we were trying to get one or two people elected, then the optimal strategy would be to vote for only those people.

We are trying to vote someone out, to do that 25 other people need to have more votes than them. So in this instance the optimal strategy is to vote for 25 people and preferably the same 25.

There are 29 names on the ballot so people who want this to work should vote for all but 4 names. The arfcom thread suggests 3 people NOT to vote for, with the 4th as a free choice.
I have been an NRA life member for many years; I am now a Patron Member. I am thrilled you became an NRA life member last month. Thank you.
:iagree:
However, I think you are misunderstanding how this is supposed to work.

Voting for NRA Directors is supposed to be about selecting the best people for the job. It's about honor, integrity, intent, belief, work-ethic, and deep personal commitment.

In any board of directors--especially non-profits--Paredo's Law applies: 20% do 80% of the work. I've been on the boards of two non-profits for over nine years.

Flooding votes for all but your disfavored few candidates does nothing but perhaps inadvertently voting in[/u ]some directors you might rail against come three years' time.

Vote for whom you want. You are voting for an NRA board member, not against a specific nominee. The ballot doesn't have an "I don't like him" button. Leave the button blank for those whom you do not want to be an NRA board member.

It's that simple.

:iagree:

Re: NRA 2013 election

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:34 pm
by O.F.Fascist
Skiprr wrote: Voting for NRA Directors is supposed to be about selecting the best people for the job. It's about honor, integrity, intent, belief, work-ethic, and deep personal commitment.
I would think it would have something to do with what kinds of people we want representing us and fighting for our rights as gun owners. Someone who claims that it is okay for civilians' right to keep and bear to be
artificially restricted to 5 rounds is not someone I want representing me, they are my enemy.
Flooding votes for all but your disfavored few candidates does nothing but perhaps inadvertently voting in[/u ]some directors you might rail against come three years' time.


Perhaps that could be the case, one never knows what the future holds, but that would be another fight for a different day. None of those I am voting for are known to me now as enemies. Regardless of how many I vote for, in this election all but 4 will become board members.

Leave the button blank for those whom you do not want to be an NRA board member.


This I have done.

Re: NRA 2013 election

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:11 pm
by OldGrumpy
No magazine yet and no ballot. Hope everyone else votes in a way that represents me. :waiting: b

Re: NRA 2013 election

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:04 am
by Skiprr
O.F.Fascist, I am extremely pleased you chose to become an NRA life member last month.

As a long-time life member and Patron Member, I offered my knowledge of voting for NRA Board of Director members.

Your mileage may vary.