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Havens wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:50 am Has anyone read up on HB2286?

As of now it has passed in the House, and is now going through the Senate.

My brother and I have different views from the text.
The way I comprehend it, there will no longer be a wait time when purchasing a suppressor nor a tax stamp. The way he reads it, there will no longer be restrictions on making homemade suppressors. However he thinks the tax stamp will still be there.

Can someone clear this up for me?

https://legiscan.com/TX/bill/HB2286/2019

At this point it doesn't matter as HB 2286 is dead, so current law (Federal and State) rules.

Havens wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 5:53 pm It looks like it is just waiting for the first hearing in the Senate. I’m not sure if it’s a dead bill just yet.

The 2019 legislative session ended on Monday, everything not passed by both house and senate is dead.

Havens wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 5:53 pm It looks like it is just waiting for the first hearing in the Senate. I’m not sure if it’s a dead bill just yet.

The session is over its dead. It was killed by the Republican chairwoman, Joan Huffman, because she choose not to give it a hearing.

She also killed or neutered a few other pro-liberty bills.

ATF regs would still apply, no matter what law a state passes. Regulation of suppressors still falls under federal jurisdiction, and if the feds say you have to wait for a tax stamp, then you have to wait, and you still have to pay the fee.

The fastest way to get a suppressor remains filing a form 1 and building your own. (And, it’s a lot cheaper too.)

Laws like this never had a chance thanks to Dennis Bonnen and Dan Patrick.

Rubicon wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 11:19 am Laws like this never had a chance thanks to Dennis Bonnen and Dan Patrick.

Even if they weren’t a problem, suppressor regulation is STIILL under ATF jurisdiction. The state can pass all the laws it wants, and if you violate ATF suppressor regs and get found out, ATF agents will still show up to arrest you, and put you in federal pounding in the butt prison.....and there’s nothing the state can do to stop that. This needs to be fixed at the federal level.

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 1:51 pm

Rubicon wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 11:19 am Laws like this never had a chance thanks to Dennis Bonnen and Dan Patrick.

Even if they weren’t a problem, suppressor regulation is STIILL under ATF jurisdiction. The state can pass all the laws it wants, and if you violate ATF suppressor regs and get found out, ATF agents will still show up to arrest you, and put you in federal pounding in the butt prison.....and there’s nothing the state can do to stop that. This needs to be fixed at the federal level.

I understand your thinking TAM. But you also have to look at it the other way with sanctuary cities and all the drug laws being passed by states including Colorado which is about to legalize psychedelic mushrooms. I personally prefer some baseline federal laws.

Texas won't throw you into the TDC for violating the NFA right now, but the Feds have no problem with giving you free room and board along with some seriously hardcore new buddies if you break that or any other Federal law. What would this bill change other than encouraging people to make life ruining errors for the sake of saving $200 and a few months wait?

I'd love to get my cans faster, but not so much that I'll risk becoming a mob enforcer's prison wife.

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 1:51 pm

Rubicon wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 11:19 am Laws like this never had a chance thanks to Dennis Bonnen and Dan Patrick.

Even if they weren’t a problem, suppressor regulation is STIILL under ATF jurisdiction. The state can pass all the laws it wants, and if you violate ATF suppressor regs and get found out, ATF agents will still show up to arrest you, and put you in federal pounding in the butt prison.....and there’s nothing the state can do to stop that. This needs to be fixed at the federal level.

Marijuana is illegal per Federal law. The DEA has jurisdiction throughout the nation. They can send pot smokers and growers to that same butt prison.....and there’s nothing the state can do to stop that.

BUT

In practice, there's a big difference between smoking a joint in Colorado and doing the same thing in Texas. For somebody growing a couple of plants in their back yard for personal use (no interstate commerce) there's an even bigger difference.

As a second order effect, does anybody want to lay odds on whether it's "fixed at the federal level" first for marijuana or suppressors?

TreyHouston wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:42 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 1:51 pm

Rubicon wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 11:19 am Laws like this never had a chance thanks to Dennis Bonnen and Dan Patrick.

Even if they weren’t a problem, suppressor regulation is STIILL under ATF jurisdiction. The state can pass all the laws it wants, and if you violate ATF suppressor regs and get found out, ATF agents will still show up to arrest you, and put you in federal pounding in the butt prison.....and there’s nothing the state can do to stop that. This needs to be fixed at the federal level.

I understand your thinking TAM. But you also have to look at it the other way with sanctuary cities and all the drug laws being passed by states including Colorado which is about to legalize psychedelic mushrooms. I personally prefer some baseline federal laws.

Grumpy1993 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:48 pm [quote="The Annoyed Man" post_id=<a href="tel:1251356">1251356</a> time=<a href="tel:1559242290">1559242290</a> user_id=2929]
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Laws like this never had a chance thanks to Dennis Bonnen and Dan Patrick.

Even if they weren’t a problem, suppressor regulation is STIILL under ATF jurisdiction. The state can pass all the laws it wants, and if you violate ATF suppressor regs and get found out, ATF agents will still show up to arrest you, and put you in federal pounding in the butt prison.....and there’s nothing the state can do to stop that. This needs to be fixed at the federal level.
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Marijuana is illegal per Federal law. The DEA has jurisdiction throughout the nation. They can send pot smokers and growers to that same butt prison.....and there’s nothing the state can do to stop that.

BUT

In practice, there's a big difference between smoking a joint in Colorado and doing the same thing in Texas. For somebody growing a couple of plants in their back yard for personal use (no interstate commerce) there's an even bigger difference.

As a second order effect, does anybody want to lay odds on whether it's "fixed at the federal level" first for marijuana or suppressors?
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You’re both right..... BUT.... the problem still remains at the federal level; and the feds being the "generous and understanding souls" that they usually are, you’ll still end up in a prison where Preparation H is a survival tool.

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 10:17 am ATF regs would still apply, no matter what law a state passes. Regulation of suppressors still falls under federal jurisdiction, and if the feds say you have to wait for a tax stamp, then you have to wait, and you still have to pay the fee.

The fastest way to get a suppressor remains filing a form 1 and building your own. (And, it’s a lot cheaper too.)

The average person would be more likely to have a run in with state and local law enforcement, not the feds. Yes the Feds could still charge someone if they were found out, but if it were legal by state law and our police couldn't cooperate with the feds on this issue then you would see a whole lot less people going to prison solely for having a suppressor.

If y'all are OK with the Texas Republican'ts killing this bill, I'm OK with whatever federal restrictions Trump puts on silencers.

"What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?"