Dispelling a myth about "no guns allowed" signs

[Keith B]

And by the way azwe, don't you live in Oklahoma? Your laws are totally different there, and you have extra restrictions if you are still carrying on a Texas non-resident LTC.

[mreed911]

Tell me to knock it off if I'm off-base on this one, but maybe someone wants to slap a "gunbuster" sticker on their door to keep guns out instead of posting the proper signage per the law? Just a thought...

Then it has no legal bearing on anyone with an LTC.

Carry concealed and there's ZERO violation.

Carry open and there's violation only if you fail to leave after having been given proper notice.

Well, I know that, but maybe someone isn't happy to have to put up "big ugly signs", that's all I'm saying.

Then they don't get the force of law. They're big, ugly signs for a reason - they're designed to provide notice.

Either us the signs or give notice via card or verbal notice.

[mojo84]

Tell me to knock it off if I'm off-base on this one, but maybe someone wants to slap a "gunbuster" sticker on their door to keep guns out instead of posting the proper signage per the law? Just a thought...

Then it has no legal bearing on anyone with an LTC.

Carry concealed and there's ZERO violation.

Carry open and there's violation only if you fail to leave after having been given proper notice.

Well, I know that, but maybe someone isn't happy to have to put up "big ugly signs", that's all I'm saying.

It doesn't matter if they are happy or not. They still need to follow the law for the sign to have the force of law.

I wouldn't be happy if the law allowed them to put up a sign with such miniscule letters that one would need a magnifying glass to read.

[K.Mooneyham]

Tell me to knock it off if I'm off-base on this one, but maybe someone wants to slap a "gunbuster" sticker on their door to keep guns out instead of posting the proper signage per the law? Just a thought...

Then it has no legal bearing on anyone with an LTC.

Carry concealed and there's ZERO violation.

Carry open and there's violation only if you fail to leave after having been given proper notice.

Well, I know that, but maybe someone isn't happy to have to put up "big ugly signs", that's all I'm saying.

It doesn't matter if they are happy or not. They still need to follow the law for the sign to have the force of law.

I've been here on this forum for awhile now, I understand how it works, and I agree 100%. I think maybe the OP isn't happy to have to put up big ugly signs, and wanted to complain here to the rest of us about their unhappiness.

[mojo84]

Tell me to knock it off if I'm off-base on this one, but maybe someone wants to slap a "gunbuster" sticker on their door to keep guns out instead of posting the proper signage per the law? Just a thought...

Then it has no legal bearing on anyone with an LTC.

Carry concealed and there's ZERO violation.

Carry open and there's violation only if you fail to leave after having been given proper notice.

Well, I know that, but maybe someone isn't happy to have to put up "big ugly signs", that's all I'm saying.

It doesn't matter if they are happy or not. They still need to follow the law for the sign to have the force of law.

I've been here on this forum for awhile now, I understand how it works, and I agree 100%. I think maybe the OP isn't happy to have to put up big ugly signs, and wanted to complain here to the rest of us about their unhappiness.

I know you've been here a while. That is why I was surprised by your comment which portrayed an apparent lack of understanding.

[The Annoyed Man]

I most definitely have busted a myth. People on this forum think "a no guns allowed sign with no 30.06 or 30.07 sign means I'm safe to carry here" which isn't the case. The business owner clearly doesn't want your business. Every business I've been to with a "no guns allowed" sign has been very unfriendly and people on this forum think they're immune from trespassing. These are the same people who walk into businesses with improper 30.06 signs thinking they can walk right in with no problem. This is completely wrong.

The only myth here is your understanding of the law. You are factually wrong. If you don't believe it, ask the guy who got 30.06 passed .......the owner of this forum.

My guess is that his legislative experience and experience as a cop, attorney, and prosecutor probably trump your experience as a legal analyst: https://www.nradefensefund.org/officers.aspx#cotton

Charles L. Cotton, Trustee
Friendswood, Texas

Current member of the National Rifle Association's Board of Directors. Married with two sons. Committees: Finance, Legal Affairs, Bylaws and Resolutions, Action Pistol. Civil trial attorney and partner with successful Houston, Texas law firm. Consulted with Texas House of Representatives and Texas Senate sponsors of Texas' Concealed Handgun License (CHL) bills from 1993 through 1997, 1999, and 2003. Contributed language to the CHL statute and its amendments, and testified for CHL and anti-lawsuit legislation. At the request of the CHL authors, testified on implementation of the Texas CHL statute. Second Amendment advocate as interviewee on television, radio and talk shows and newspaper articles both before and after passage of Texas CHL statute. Seminar speaker on Texas' CHL statute and Texas firearms laws and state constitutional protections. Competitive shooter, hunter, collector and NRA Certified Instructor. Member TSRA, IDPA, IPSC, NSSR, LEAA, co-founder and Match Director of PSC-IDPA Match.

How do your credentials as a legal analyst stack up?

[The Annoyed Man]

Tell me to knock it off if I'm off-base on this one, but maybe someone wants to slap a "gunbuster" sticker on their door to keep guns out instead of posting the proper signage per the law? Just a thought...

Then it has no legal bearing on anyone with an LTC.

Carry concealed and there's ZERO violation.

Carry open and there's violation only if you fail to leave after having been given proper notice.

Well, I know that, but maybe someone isn't happy to have to put up "big ugly signs", that's all I'm saying.

It doesn't matter if they are happy or not. They still need to follow the law for the sign to have the force of law.

I've been here on this forum for awhile now, I understand how it works, and I agree 100%. I think maybe the OP isn't happy to have to put up big ugly signs, and wanted to complain here to the rest of us about their unhappiness.

I know you've been here a while. That is why I was surprised by your comment which portrayed an apparent lack of understanding.

I understood k.mooneyham's post to mean what he said......not that HE agrees with the OP, but that he speculates that the OP is motivated by not wanting to have to post a compliant sign at his own business. OTH, I assumed that OP lives in Texas. Apparently Keith B knows differently.......in which case OP is trying to make Oklahoma law apply in Texas.......which is no different logically than if I were to insist that my LTC is valid in California.

[mojo84]

Tell me to knock it off if I'm off-base on this one, but maybe someone wants to slap a "gunbuster" sticker on their door to keep guns out instead of posting the proper signage per the law? Just a thought...

Then it has no legal bearing on anyone with an LTC.

Carry concealed and there's ZERO violation.

Carry open and there's violation only if you fail to leave after having been given proper notice.

Well, I know that, but maybe someone isn't happy to have to put up "big ugly signs", that's all I'm saying.

It doesn't matter if they are happy or not. They still need to follow the law for the sign to have the force of law.

I've been here on this forum for awhile now, I understand how it works, and I agree 100%. I think maybe the OP isn't happy to have to put up big ugly signs, and wanted to complain here to the rest of us about their unhappiness.

I know you've been here a while. That is why I was surprised by your comment which portrayed an apparent lack of understanding.

I understood k.mooneyham's post to mean what he said......not that HE agrees with the OP, but that he speculates that the OP is motivated by not wanting to have to post a compliant sign at his own business. OTH, I assumed that OP lives in Texas. Apparently Keith B knows differently.......in which case OP is trying to make Oklahoma law apply in Texas.......which is no different logically than if I were to insist that my LTC is valid in California.

After reading your comment TAM and rereading his comment, I can see I may have misinterpreted the comment. If that's the case, I apologize.

[Skiprr]

How do your credentials as a legal analyst stack up?

Hm; they left out "former executive director of the Texas State Rifle Association."

[flintknapper]

Hm; they left out "former executive director of the Texas State Rifle Association."

And Miniature Schnauzer Rescue

[The Annoyed Man]

Hm; they left out "former executive director of the Texas State Rifle Association."

And Miniature Schnauzer Rescue

Thank you both. I apologize for my feckless failure of accuracy in reportage.

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, Charles once said something in my presence of having been a judge for a time. Am I remembering that correctly?

[thetexan]

The gun-busters sign may convey the owners desires...possibly...but it doesn't provide any legal notice of that desire...period.

Tex

[Smokey]

Best thing a gun buster might do is, if you are OC, give you a heads up that you might be asked to leave.