Toyota Center in Houston

[adamryan1978]

Does anyone know if the Toyota Center in Houston is posted 30.06? Going there for a concert this week. Do they search at the door like Minute Maid Park?

Thanks

[Lynyrd]

According to Texas3006.com they are posted both 30.06 and 30.07,

[sixer-sxt-3.7]

Double check the comments in the Texas3006.com listing - there are several mentions that it is on county property (and thus 30.06/07 is unenforceable), and the signs have the old, incorrect verbiage.

This is corroborated in a few web searches:

http://stadiums.pointafter.com/q/618/13 ... ston-Texas

http://basketball.ballparks.com/NBA/Hou ... windex.htm

http://www.houstonsports.org/toyota-center/

By all accounts, provided there is no school event or professional sports event, there should be no problem.

However, IANAL, but it sucks that we have to make this disclaimer. The more I do this kind of research on a particular place the more it chaps my hide that we have to prove a legal right to carry rather than them prove a legal right to exclude - the onus is on us.

[ScottDLS]

Double check the comments in the Texas3006.com listing - there are several mentions that it is on county property (and thus 30.06/07 is unenforceable), and the signs have the old, incorrect verbiage.

This is corroborated in a few web searches:

http://stadiums.pointafter.com/q/618/13 ... ston-Texas

http://basketball.ballparks.com/NBA/Hou ... windex.htm

http://www.houstonsports.org/toyota-center/

By all accounts, provided there is no school event or professional sports event, there should be no problem.

However, IANAL, but it sucks that we have to make this disclaimer. The more I do this kind of research on a particular place the more it chaps my hide that we have to prove a legal right to carry rather than them prove a legal right to exclude - the onus is on us.

They will likely just do what AA Center in Dallas and Cowboys Stadium in Arlington do (sometimes). They will wand you and not allow your entry with CCW. You can complain to the government entities that own the stadiums and they will reference KP-108 and say they didn't post but the entity leasing did, so they won't get fined.

[ralewis]

Double check the comments in the Texas3006.com listing - there are several mentions that it is on county property (and thus 30.06/07 is unenforceable), and the signs have the old, incorrect verbiage.

This is corroborated in a few web searches:

http://stadiums.pointafter.com/q/618/13 ... ston-Texas

http://basketball.ballparks.com/NBA/Hou ... windex.htm

http://www.houstonsports.org/toyota-center/

By all accounts, provided there is no school event or professional sports event, there should be no problem.

However, IANAL, but it sucks that we have to make this disclaimer. The more I do this kind of research on a particular place the more it chaps my hide that we have to prove a legal right to carry rather than them prove a legal right to exclude - the onus is on us.

They will likely just do what AA Center in Dallas and Cowboys Stadium in Arlington do (sometimes). They will wand you and not allow your entry with CCW. You can complain to the government entities that own the stadiums and they will reference KP-108 and say they didn't post but the entity leasing did, so they won't get fined.

This was the point of the thread I started yesterday.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=86734

Absent any teeth in the penalties, there is no incentive for public venues to permit licensed carry.

[goose]

They will likely just do what AA Center in Dallas and Cowboys Stadium in Arlington do (sometimes). They will wand you and not allow your entry with CCW. You can complain to the government entities that own the stadiums and they will reference KP-108 and say they didn't post but the entity leasing did, so they won't get fined.

The last concert I went to at Toyota, this was the case. Everyone wanded and bag searched. You can put a pocket knife/NAA under your foot if you feel that you must get something in. Otherwise, leave it at the car. The security folks aren't going to be sympathetic to your pleas. LEO are not going to escort you in as one of the good guys.

[Soccerdad1995]

Maybe I am naïve, but since it is illegal for the concert operators (or anyone else) to prohibit your entry, shouldn't they be liable for civil damages that result from this illegal act? At a minimum, I'm thinking the cost of two concert tickets (likely north of $1,000 since this is the Adele concert), parking, and compensation for time lost in travelling to and from the venue, plus emotional distress from being treated like a criminal in public. Damages would be much greater if someone disarmed and was then harmed on the way to or from the venue.

I know that other states have laws which make the property owner liable for damages if they legally prohibit weapons. That might be controversial here in Texas (given our historical focus on property rights, etc), but I would think that we could all at least get behind liability for those who illegally prohibit weapons.

[ralewis]

Maybe I am naïve, but since it is illegal for the concert operators (or anyone else) to prohibit your entry, shouldn't they be liable for civil damages that result from this illegal act? At a minimum, I'm thinking the cost of two concert tickets (likely north of $1,000 since this is the Adele concert), parking, and compensation for time lost in travelling to and from the venue, plus emotional distress from being treated like a criminal in public. Damages would be much greater if someone disarmed and was then harmed on the way to or from the venue.

I know that other states have laws which make the property owner liable for damages if they legally prohibit weapons. That might be controversial here in Texas (given our historical focus on property rights, etc), but I would think that we could all at least get behind liability for those who illegally prohibit weapons.

Public venues don't have an incentive to follow the law due to a lack of consequences. Reporting to the AG isn't going to help you when you have to walk a mile back to your car to put lock your firearm up.

[ScottDLS]

Maybe I am naïve, but since it is illegal for the concert operators (or anyone else) to prohibit your entry, shouldn't they be liable for civil damages that result from this illegal act? At a minimum, I'm thinking the cost of two concert tickets (likely north of $1,000 since this is the Adele concert), parking, and compensation for time lost in travelling to and from the venue, plus emotional distress from being treated like a criminal in public. Damages would be much greater if someone disarmed and was then harmed on the way to or from the venue.

I know that other states have laws which make the property owner liable for damages if they legally prohibit weapons. That might be controversial here in Texas (given our historical focus on property rights, etc), but I would think that we could all at least get behind liability for those who illegally prohibit weapons.

KP108 says they still have the right to bar you civilly via trespass though you couldn't be prosecuted criminally. or that's conveniently how they're interpreting it.

[sixer-sxt-3.7]

This is the legal mumbo-jumbo that I hate having to engage in. We, the legal, law abiding, armed citizens don't have a leg to stand on compared to the venue owners and government entities. WE NEED BIGGER TEETH!

On paper, we're usually right - but for some reason their twisted logic takes over.

[AdioSS]

I’m here now for Tool. Still have walk-through detectors at each door. They had us hold our keys, phone, wallet, etc up above our head & take your hat off if wearing one. I forgot to take my flashlight off my belt & it did ring red on me, but they didn’t stop me. Didn’t catch my knife in my shoe, either.