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???TreyHouston wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:20 pmAnd this one is Bill! Amazing how you both are on at the same time!flechero wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:57 pmHe reminds me of a guy I once knew... you could take him to lunch when he was broke and he'd be upset that it was only Chili's and not a $100 meal.TreyHouston wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:05 pm
Are you just going to argue everything? He won, get over it Hillary.MAGA
Hardly fake news. Pompeo admitted in testimony to the senate last week that north korea was still developing fissile material, and when asked directly about missle development he declined to respond when asked whether North Korea was continuing to pursue submarine-launched ballistic missiles or whether North Korea’s nuclear program was advancing generally. Pompeo said he would be happy to answer the latter question if necessary in a classified setting but suggested public statements on the issue would not help “a complex negotiation with a difficult adversary”.bbhack wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:50 pmI just read the wapo article. Not one named official said anything, except Pompeo, and he did not say this. "Anonynous WaPo Source" = #FakeNews.philbo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:45 pm U.S. spy agencies: North Korea is working on new missiles.
It appears that Trump's assertions just a few weeks ago that Pyongyang was “no longer a Nuclear Threat" might have been a little premature.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... cf47b46431
Among the 200 killed in the tunnel collapse last year were certainly scientists, engineers and technicians who were involved in the development of bombs and delivery systems. You think they called up a temp staffing agency to keep things moving?philbo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:58 pmHardly fake news. Pompeo admitted in testimony to the senate last week that north korea was still developing fissile material, and when asked directly about missle development he declined to respond when asked whether North Korea was continuing to pursue submarine-launched ballistic missiles or whether North Korea’s nuclear program was advancing generally. Pompeo said he would be happy to answer the latter question if necessary in a classified setting but suggested public statements on the issue would not help “a complex negotiation with a difficult adversary”.bbhack wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:50 pmI just read the wapo article. Not one named official said anything, except Pompeo, and he did not say this. "Anonynous WaPo Source" = #FakeNews.philbo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:45 pm U.S. spy agencies: North Korea is working on new missiles.
It appears that Trump's assertions just a few weeks ago that Pyongyang was “no longer a Nuclear Threat" might have been a little premature.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... cf47b46431
Not the predigested pablum released thru the alt-right news channels you may be used to digesting, but it shouldn't require much critical thought to reach the conclusion that north korea is doing exactly what they have done for over 30 years.... promise one thing while breaking that promise at the same time. It's the same game plan they have always run.
Flechero, with all due respect, this thread is about trumps term as president, not clinton's, bush's or obama's. When they were in office I spoke quite loudly about their inconsistencies... the difference is that there was no thread in this forum where the member's tried to whitewash, overlook and apologize for the inconsistencies of their chosen candidate. I am unwilling to give a pass, ignore, or whitewash anyone who is such a habitual liar, has attacked gold star families, repeatedly chosen to support a foreign power over his own aides and intelligence community, used deficit spending for a tax cut, give aid to farmers that his unwise policies have injured, or spent more than 20% of his time in office at his resorts playing golf while simultaneously charging tax payers millions of dollars for the privilege of enriching his own resorts. If he is good enough for you, that's great. I am not willing to settle for this sad, embarrassing wreck of a man, or his policies on nearly every issue.flechero wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:31 am Philbo, with all due respect, do you sit around all day looking for anti trump stories? I don't get it. He's certainly no white lamb, but neither was the last pres or hilary. Even if we concede that he is a despicable human being (which I don't) he's still better than the alternative.
Even with all the ridiculousness in the news every day, everyone I know is better off today than they were 2, 4, 6 years ago- and that is what really counts.
I do think it's funny that you expect all things said or claimed by trump to be true but don't post up the false claims of anyone else... there is a reason that there are so many jokes about politicians lying.
I'm quite sure you could find a story or fifty about the tax cuts going to kill our economy or how only the rich will benefit or how trumps NK approach had us headed straight to war, or how his sexual misconduct (years before becoming pres) is an issue now (funny how BClinton got a pass there) or you name the silliness that's made up or just plain wrong.
You are strangely silent on these types of stories.
I was rich while I was poor, that hasn't changed. I'm sad for but not surprised that you equate money to my values. My values didn't shift from where they were. I still actively volunteered at and gave to my Church, still worked with families of deployed soldiers and still got my own fulfillment from God and family. What additional money has allowed me to do is have a greater impact on my community since I have more to be generous with. I won't complain that I'll be able to retire someday now that my retirement accounts are in a position to allow it. - by following God's plan for stewardship, I have put money away so that I can leave my family better off. No apologies, no shift in values.philbo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:53 am If the standard of acceptance is that you are better off than you were, will your values shift with your pocket book in the future? Or, are your values and principals independent beliefs that are not for sale and do not change depending on which way the financial wind is blowing?
Sorry, but the old norms don't apply anymore when defining how people act politically. There are no standards for performance, logic, ethics, morality, civility, faith, or compassion - all that matters to many (but, thankfully, not the majority) is what is novel or entertaining today. Could it be widespread "brainwashing"? Are we just going through a major reset?philbo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:53 am If the standard of acceptance [of President Trump] is that you are better off than you were, will your values shift with your pocket book in the future? Or, are your values and principals independent beliefs that are not for sale and do not change depending on which way the financial wind is blowing? If trump supporters are too thin skinned in their beliefs to hear criticism about their chosen leader, then the issue lies with them. So long as trump continues to put himself before this country, weaken the institutions that make up this republic, and promote a system of crony capitalism that's beginning to look a lot like socialism, I will not support this president or his policies. Further, I will openly state my opinion... even if it's unpopular with whichever flavor of sycophant is speaking.
Oh, bill clinton hardly got a pass... i believe that his lying led to his impeachment, if not the conviction he may have deserved. But, if that's a pass in your book I'm willing to allow the same pass for the current caricature of a man that is calling himself president.
