Nobody but Ilhan Abdullahi Omar

[philip964]

She has the same right to voice her opinion as the people who blame all Muslims for 9/11.

She has as much right to voice her opinion using taxpayer dollars as a congressman who wants to revoke the citizenship of American Muslims and deport them.

That's equality under the law.

Yes I agree. Freedom of speech is especially about speech you disagree with.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/20/isis-brid ... unishment/

May be this congresswoman can use her freedom of speech to help get this Alabama young woman the therapy she needs, at our expense.

[Bitter Clinger]

She has the same right to voice her opinion as the people who blame all Muslims for 9/11.

She has as much right to voice her opinion using taxpayer dollars as a congressman who wants to revoke the citizenship of American Muslims and deport them.

That's equality under the law.

Must be nice to live in a world where you have never been the target of defamation.

[Redneck_Buddha]

She has as much right to voice her opinion using taxpayer dollars as a congressman who wants to revoke the citizenship of American Muslims and deport them.

And which Congressman has done that? I'll wait.

[Redneck_Buddha]

She has as much right to voice her opinion using taxpayer dollars as a congressman who wants to revoke the citizenship of American Muslims and deport them.

And which Congressman has done that? I'll wait.

[RoyGBiv]

It is very educational to note who has come out in her defense in the media also. Not in defense of her saying her opinion, but in defense of that opinion itself. It is not just the immigrants and refugees who feel this way. It appears to me that the liberal, left-leaning base of the Democratic party are saying that she is right too. This is also revealing to me. I can only hope that many other American Jews are seeing this and wondering if it has become time for them to leave the Democratic party, as it has left them.

I think this is a bigger question than just concerning American Jews. I think it is part of a larger winnowing of the harvest.

I am not Jewish, so I cannot claim to speak for Jews. But as a Christian, grafted onto Father Abraham’s vine, I can most certainly speak in support of Jews, and to issues affecting their wellbeing - most particularly their well-being as my fellow citizens. I am aware of the historical tradition of Jewish intellectual rigor, and the consequent presence of Jews in academic endeavor in numbers out of proportion to their representation in the population. In and of itself, that was never a bad thing. But I think I can say - because this affected my own family too - that intellectual pursuits, within the cloistered environment of academia, can tempt one into believing the lie that the power of one’s own intellect frees one of the need to follow a higher power. And by the way, some of this trend has affected Christianity too. It’s really - at least in my opinion - about the war between secularism and spirituality.

So in the end, just as we end up with 2 kinds of Christians under academic pressure, we also end up with 2 kinds of Jews. For purposes of describing this phenomenon, you can even lump Jews and Christians together into those two kinds.....

There are the kinds for whom intellectual rigor and pursuit is a spritual exercise, in which they seek to know more about, and draw closer to, their God. They understand obedience to scriptural precepts, and they actually seek the Deity’s help in achieving that obedience....on a personal level. It’s a faith of submission.

Then there are the kinds for whom intellectual rigor and pursuit is a liberation exercise, in which they seek to be freed from the “autocratic” precepts of Scripture, so that they may pursue making the world a better place according to their definitions, not God’s. It’s not a faith of submission.

We ask why American Jews would tend to politically support those policies which are harmful to Judaism, or politicians who would gladly see them wiped out. But we also ask why a Catholic Pope or Cardinals would not excommunicate nominally Catholic governors or congresswomen who actively promote infanticide at birth. We ask why a prominent “evangelical” Protestant “thought leader” would use his pulpit to promote abortion, or same-sex marriage, under the false notion that both are sanctioned by Jesus, even when Scriptures very CLEARLY say differently.

So while we can keep asking that question, about when American Jews will see the writing on the wall and flee the democrat party, we could say the same thing about many alleged Christians, who pursue what is euphemistically called “liberation theology”, but literally has nothing to do with submission to the Lord, and everything to do with pushing a humanist doctrine in place of submission.

So I don’t think Jews are in this alone. I think that a lot of us are asking the same kinds of questions - Jews and Christians alike.


CAVEAT regarding Same-Sex marriage: in my own opinion, I do not believe that God sanctions same-sex marriages. But I also believe in the notion of civil/political liberty, and that is why I don’t think that the state can or should abrogate the right of same-sex couples to codify their relationships. This war is in the spiritual plane, and it will be won or lost there. I believe it has already been won - by God - and the rest of us just have some catching up to do. In a secular sense, it’s none of my business. In a spiritual sense, God won, and I just haven’t seen it yet.

^^^ Especially awesome post TAM.

Jews (me) who look to the Democrat party (not me) to help them against the rising tide of antisemitism and Israel hate are fools. The Democrats are too-happy to welcome extremists (socialists, baby killers, Israel haters, race-baiters, SJW's, etc) partly (IMO) out of fear and partly out of lust for power. It's a hopeful sign that AOC and Omar and Tlaib are seeing some push-back from their own party, but it feels more like "keep it quiet" than "Stop right there".

[Bitter Clinger]

All of you so-called "Constitutional Rights" advocates have missed a critical point. While a person has a First Amendment right to express a political opinion, the Supreme Court has ruled that this does not include the right to engage in advocacy that constitutes material support to terror.

[philip964]

https://news.yahoo.com/ilhan-omar-fears ... 50171.html

I think this statement fully clears up any misunderstanding you might have had about anything she may have said that sounded anti Semitic.

Oh BTW, I had a friend who visited Jerusalem last month and said that it was spectacular, a must see.

Suggested skipping the trip to Bethlehem.

[Bitter Clinger]

https://news.yahoo.com/ilhan-omar-fears ... 50171.html

I think this statement fully clears up any misunderstanding you might have had about anything she may have said that sounded anti Semitic.

Oh BTW, I had a friend who visited Jerusalem last month and said that it was spectacular, a must see.

Suggested skipping the trip to Bethlehem.

If you go all the way there, you have to visit Bethlehem. Not only to see it, but to talk to the Christian Arabs that run it, they are phenomenal and extremely interesting folk.

As for Omar, if she was on fire, I would not pee on her to put it out.

Conservative critics accuse Ilhan Omar of new anti-Semitic attack, this time focusing on 'dual loyalties'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/conser ... -loyalties

[Gator Guy]

It is very educational to note who has come out in her defense in the media also. Not in defense of her saying her opinion, but in defense of that opinion itself. It is not just the immigrants and refugees who feel this way. It appears to me that the liberal, left-leaning base of the Democratic party are saying that she is right too. This is also revealing to me. I can only hope that many other American Jews are seeing this and wondering if it has become time for them to leave the Democratic party, as it has left them.

I think this is a bigger question than just concerning American Jews. I think it is part of a larger winnowing of the harvest.

I am not Jewish, so I cannot claim to speak for Jews. But as a Christian, grafted onto Father Abraham’s vine, I can most certainly speak in support of Jews, and to issues affecting their wellbeing - most particularly their well-being as my fellow citizens. I am aware of the historical tradition of Jewish intellectual rigor, and the consequent presence of Jews in academic endeavor in numbers out of proportion to their representation in the population. In and of itself, that was never a bad thing. But I think I can say - because this affected my own family too - that intellectual pursuits, within the cloistered environment of academia, can tempt one into believing the lie that the power of one’s own intellect frees one of the need to follow a higher power. And by the way, some of this trend has affected Christianity too. It’s really - at least in my opinion - about the war between secularism and spirituality.

So in the end, just as we end up with 2 kinds of Christians under academic pressure, we also end up with 2 kinds of Jews. For purposes of describing this phenomenon, you can even lump Jews and Christians together into those two kinds.....

There are the kinds for whom intellectual rigor and pursuit is a spritual exercise, in which they seek to know more about, and draw closer to, their God. They understand obedience to scriptural precepts, and they actually seek the Deity’s help in achieving that obedience....on a personal level. It’s a faith of submission.

Then there are the kinds for whom intellectual rigor and pursuit is a liberation exercise, in which they seek to be freed from the “autocratic” precepts of Scrupture, so that they may pursue making the world a better place according to their definitions, not God’s. It’s not a faith of submission.

We ask why American Jews would tend to politically support those policies which are harmful to Judaism, or politicians who would gladly see them wiped out. But we also ask why a Catholic Pope or Cardinals would not excommunicate nominally Catholic governors or congresswomen who actively promote infanticide at birth. We ask why a prominent “evangelical” Protestant “thought leader” would use his pulpit to promote abortion, or same-sex marriage, under the false notion that both are sanctioned by Jesus, even when Scriptures very CLEARLY say differently.

So while we can keep asking that question, about when American Jews will see the writing on the wall and flee the democrat party, we could say the same thing about many alleged Christians, who pursue what is euphemistically called “liberation theology”, but literally has nothing to do with submission to the Lord, and everything to do with pushing a humanist doctrine in place of submission.

So I don’t think Jews are in this alone. I think that a lot of us are asking the same kinds of questions - Jews and Christians alike.


CAVEAT regarding Same-Sex marriage: in my own opinion, I do not believe that God sanctions same-sex marriages. But I also believe in the notion of civil/political liberty, and that is why I don’t think that the state can or should abrogate the right of same-sex couples to codify their relationships. This war is in the spiritual plane, and it will be won or lost there. I believe it has already been won - by God - and the rest of us just have some catching up to do. In a secular sense, it’s none of my business. In a spiritual sense, God won, and I just haven’t seen it yet.

While I don't disagree with you here, maybe we should all remember forum rule #11:

11. Off-topic posts/threads: Since they tend to cause the most problems for other boards, our "off-topic" sub-forum is not an "anything goes" area. Absolutely no discussions of immigration/border security, abortion, race matters, or any other hot-button political issues. (Gun-related political issues can be discussed in the Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues forum.)

Religion or theology may only be discussed in the context of threats or criminal acts committed in the name of a religion, and in thoughtful responses to those threats and acts.

Not everybody on this forum agrees with our position, and this should not be a wedge issue that will divide gun owners.

[anygunanywhere]

It is very educational to note who has come out in her defense in the media also. Not in defense of her saying her opinion, but in defense of that opinion itself. It is not just the immigrants and refugees who feel this way. It appears to me that the liberal, left-leaning base of the Democratic party are saying that she is right too. This is also revealing to me. I can only hope that many other American Jews are seeing this and wondering if it has become time for them to leave the Democratic party, as it has left them.

I think this is a bigger question than just concerning American Jews. I think it is part of a larger winnowing of the harvest.

I am not Jewish, so I cannot claim to speak for Jews. But as a Christian, grafted onto Father Abraham’s vine, I can most certainly speak in support of Jews, and to issues affecting their wellbeing - most particularly their well-being as my fellow citizens. I am aware of the historical tradition of Jewish intellectual rigor, and the consequent presence of Jews in academic endeavor in numbers out of proportion to their representation in the population. In and of itself, that was never a bad thing. But I think I can say - because this affected my own family too - that intellectual pursuits, within the cloistered environment of academia, can tempt one into believing the lie that the power of one’s own intellect frees one of the need to follow a higher power. And by the way, some of this trend has affected Christianity too. It’s really - at least in my opinion - about the war between secularism and spirituality.

So in the end, just as we end up with 2 kinds of Christians under academic pressure, we also end up with 2 kinds of Jews. For purposes of describing this phenomenon, you can even lump Jews and Christians together into those two kinds.....

There are the kinds for whom intellectual rigor and pursuit is a spritual exercise, in which they seek to know more about, and draw closer to, their God. They understand obedience to scriptural precepts, and they actually seek the Deity’s help in achieving that obedience....on a personal level. It’s a faith of submission.

Then there are the kinds for whom intellectual rigor and pursuit is a liberation exercise, in which they seek to be freed from the “autocratic” precepts of Scrupture, so that they may pursue making the world a better place according to their definitions, not God’s. It’s not a faith of submission.

We ask why American Jews would tend to politically support those policies which are harmful to Judaism, or politicians who would gladly see them wiped out. But we also ask why a Catholic Pope or Cardinals would not excommunicate nominally Catholic governors or congresswomen who actively promote infanticide at birth. We ask why a prominent “evangelical” Protestant “thought leader” would use his pulpit to promote abortion, or same-sex marriage, under the false notion that both are sanctioned by Jesus, even when Scriptures very CLEARLY say differently.

So while we can keep asking that question, about when American Jews will see the writing on the wall and flee the democrat party, we could say the same thing about many alleged Christians, who pursue what is euphemistically called “liberation theology”, but literally has nothing to do with submission to the Lord, and everything to do with pushing a humanist doctrine in place of submission.

So I don’t think Jews are in this alone. I think that a lot of us are asking the same kinds of questions - Jews and Christians alike.


CAVEAT regarding Same-Sex marriage: in my own opinion, I do not believe that God sanctions same-sex marriages. But I also believe in the notion of civil/political liberty, and that is why I don’t think that the state can or should abrogate the right of same-sex couples to codify their relationships. This war is in the spiritual plane, and it will be won or lost there. I believe it has already been won - by God - and the rest of us just have some catching up to do. In a secular sense, it’s none of my business. In a spiritual sense, God won, and I just haven’t seen it yet.

While I don't disagree with you here, maybe we should all remember forum rule #11:

11. Off-topic posts/threads: Since they tend to cause the most problems for other boards, our "off-topic" sub-forum is not an "anything goes" area. Absolutely no discussions of immigration/border security, abortion, race matters, or any other hot-button political issues. (Gun-related political issues can be discussed in the Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues forum.)

Religion or theology may only be discussed in the context of threats or criminal acts committed in the name of a religion, and in thoughtful responses to those threats and acts.

Not everybody on this forum agrees with our position, and this should not be a wedge issue that will divide gun owners.

Are you quite certain you want to continue these posts like this one and the one in the AOC thread?

[The Annoyed Man]

It is very educational to note who has come out in her defense in the media also. Not in defense of her saying her opinion, but in defense of that opinion itself. It is not just the immigrants and refugees who feel this way. It appears to me that the liberal, left-leaning base of the Democratic party are saying that she is right too. This is also revealing to me. I can only hope that many other American Jews are seeing this and wondering if it has become time for them to leave the Democratic party, as it has left them.

I think this is a bigger question than just concerning American Jews. I think it is part of a larger winnowing of the harvest.

I am not Jewish, so I cannot claim to speak for Jews. But as a Christian, grafted onto Father Abraham’s vine, I can most certainly speak in support of Jews, and to issues affecting their wellbeing - most particularly their well-being as my fellow citizens. I am aware of the historical tradition of Jewish intellectual rigor, and the consequent presence of Jews in academic endeavor in numbers out of proportion to their representation in the population. In and of itself, that was never a bad thing. But I think I can say - because this affected my own family too - that intellectual pursuits, within the cloistered environment of academia, can tempt one into believing the lie that the power of one’s own intellect frees one of the need to follow a higher power. And by the way, some of this trend has affected Christianity too. It’s really - at least in my opinion - about the war between secularism and spirituality.

So in the end, just as we end up with 2 kinds of Christians under academic pressure, we also end up with 2 kinds of Jews. For purposes of describing this phenomenon, you can even lump Jews and Christians together into those two kinds.....

There are the kinds for whom intellectual rigor and pursuit is a spritual exercise, in which they seek to know more about, and draw closer to, their God. They understand obedience to scriptural precepts, and they actually seek the Deity’s help in achieving that obedience....on a personal level. It’s a faith of submission.

Then there are the kinds for whom intellectual rigor and pursuit is a liberation exercise, in which they seek to be freed from the “autocratic” precepts of Scrupture, so that they may pursue making the world a better place according to their definitions, not God’s. It’s not a faith of submission.

We ask why American Jews would tend to politically support those policies which are harmful to Judaism, or politicians who would gladly see them wiped out. But we also ask why a Catholic Pope or Cardinals would not excommunicate nominally Catholic governors or congresswomen who actively promote infanticide at birth. We ask why a prominent “evangelical” Protestant “thought leader” would use his pulpit to promote abortion, or same-sex marriage, under the false notion that both are sanctioned by Jesus, even when Scriptures very CLEARLY say differently.

So while we can keep asking that question, about when American Jews will see the writing on the wall and flee the democrat party, we could say the same thing about many alleged Christians, who pursue what is euphemistically called “liberation theology”, but literally has nothing to do with submission to the Lord, and everything to do with pushing a humanist doctrine in place of submission.

So I don’t think Jews are in this alone. I think that a lot of us are asking the same kinds of questions - Jews and Christians alike.


CAVEAT regarding Same-Sex marriage: in my own opinion, I do not believe that God sanctions same-sex marriages. But I also believe in the notion of civil/political liberty, and that is why I don’t think that the state can or should abrogate the right of same-sex couples to codify their relationships. This war is in the spiritual plane, and it will be won or lost there. I believe it has already been won - by God - and the rest of us just have some catching up to do. In a secular sense, it’s none of my business. In a spiritual sense, God won, and I just haven’t seen it yet.

While I don't disagree with you here, maybe we should all remember forum rule #11:

11. Off-topic posts/threads: Since they tend to cause the most problems for other boards, our "off-topic" sub-forum is not an "anything goes" area. Absolutely no discussions of immigration/border security, abortion, race matters, or any other hot-button political issues. (Gun-related political issues can be discussed in the Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues forum.)

Religion or theology may only be discussed in the context of threats or criminal acts committed in the name of a religion, and in thoughtful responses to those threats and acts.

Not everybody on this forum agrees with our position, and this should not be a wedge issue that will divide gun owners.

A) I gave a thoughtful response about two religions, and how some of the practitioners of those two religions - one of which is my own religion - threaten gun rights through their political actions.

B) My ORIGINAL post in the “abortion” thread was intended to keep a thread from being locked. This one is in no danger of being locked. If you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you.

C) You’re not covering yourself in glory here.

D) Pursuing my posts around this forum just makes you look petulant. But if that’s the look you want for yourself, knock yourself out.

[Vol Texan]

TAM, I've given up on feeding this troll.

[philip964]

https://nypost.com/2019/03/03/ilhan-oma ... ut-israel/

Blasted for latest anti-Semitic post.

[Redneck_Buddha]

https://news.yahoo.com/ilhan-omar-fears ... 50171.html

I think this statement fully clears up any misunderstanding you might have had about anything she may have said that sounded anti Semitic.

Oh BTW, I had a friend who visited Jerusalem last month and said that it was spectacular, a must see.

Suggested skipping the trip to Bethlehem.

I do NOT suggest skipping Bethlehem. You will need a Palestinian or Israeli Arab guide for Bethlehem, and a Palestinian Authority guide for Jericho, but Judea and Samaria are a must see if you are ever in Israel.

[philip964]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost ... story.html

Dems divide over Omar’s remarks, test Pelosi’s ability to unify.

Maybe people of the Jewish faith or those who support Israel or those who abhor discrimination will vote Republican in 2020.