APD

[jhutto]

it is a tucker answer.... ok tucked or untucked

[austin]

Another take away from this is that you did not see him approach you either when his vehicle followed you or when he exited his vehicle.

That's what I would be most concerned about.

As for holsters, if you do a tuckable, perhaps a better option would be a shoulder holster of some sort inside your shirt.

[frankie_the_yankee]

Overall, it might not be a bad idea to make an informal call to the APD IA and let them know the basics and see what their policy on off duty or unmarked car traffic stops is. If they sound interested, you can tell them all of the details. If not, you can decide how in depth you want to go.

Ha..ha.... I agree. Just make sure to do it from a pay phone.

[frankie_the_yankee]

I personally agree with the advice given by srothstein. I would also like to point out to frankie that there are tuckable IWB holsters on the market, infact my favorite (read most functional and comfortable) holster is a cheap tuckable IWB that cost about $50 less than my other holsters.

1) When you say "tuckable", do you mean behind or in front of the gun?

2) Got a link to one so I can see what they look like and how they work?

3) If the shirt tucks in front (i.e. concealing) the gun, the gun will still be exposed during the transition to untucked mode, right?

That sounds like failure to conceal to me.

If this guy was an officer, and not someone with a CHL badge, or similar, playing cop probably violated his department's procedures. If this guy was not an officer then APD needs to know about it ASAP.

And if I were going to tell APD about it, I'd make sure to do it from a pay phone. And I wouldn't stay on the line more than a couple of minutes.

[frankie_the_yankee]

I say file a complaint. If he saw your firearm briefly when you exited your car, then that is not intentionally failure to conceal. So get his attitude checked quick.

Are you volunteering to pick up jhutto's legal bills if need be?

I'm not.

[seamusTX]

Just FYI, many pay phones are under surveillance of video camera, and people have been caught making threatening phone calls from them.

Probably wouldn't happen if you were complaining about an officer; but if you're going to be cautious, make sure all your bases are covered.

- Jim

[frankie_the_yankee]

Just FYI, many pay phones are under surveillance of video camera, and people have been caught making threatening phone calls from them.

Probably wouldn't happen if you were complaining about an officer; but if you're going to be cautious, make sure all your bases are covered.

- Jim

Maybe an "Al Qaeda Special" cellpnone would be better. I mean the kind that you buy outright with prepaid minutes.

They could triangulate you to within around 100 yds in a few minutes, but that should be enough time.

You could even give them the number so they could call you back.

Just be aware that they could triangulate your position given enough time (a few minutes once they set up for it).

[jhutto]

"Are you volunteering to pick up jhutto's legal bills if need be?"
I am just asking for opinions here guy's, not legal opinions. No need to worry.

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I reccomend it 100%, no you do not have to expose the gun to untuck the shirt... I just must have pulled it up a bit to far, or he guessed right, I am not sure.


I agree it may cause more harm to me to report him. I am going to just let it go this time. I am sorry to all those who may be harassed due to my lack of action. I am just going to let my rights be erroded away. I can't afford to go to court. Really, I do feel bad about letting it slide. I feel like it is my duty to stand up for OUR rights, but what's a guy to do. Frankly if he will pull a gun on me what's keeping him from planting "evidence". he works in the drug department after all. Certainly it is not his ethics.

Thanks for the responce.

[frankie_the_yankee]

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I reccomend it 100%, no you do not have to expose the gun to untuck the shirt... I just must have pulled it up a bit to far, or he guessed right, I am not sure.

So how do you tuck it? Does your shirt slip behind the two belt hooks on the far right and left (and in front of the gun)? If so, this looks tricky to do in close quarters. Untucking a tucked shirt looks a little easier. But if you lift it too high you're gonna flash the gun.

My guess is that the cop got a glimpse of it and grossly over-reacted. But you could create a lot of problems for yourself if you pushed it.

I predict that this cop is going to get himself into trouble someday. It's too bad that it will be at the expense of some other victim - that he can't be stopped now.

Meanwhile, be more careful to keep your gun concealed at all times.

[Lucky45]

Ok jhutto,
Since you are going to let this slide and not try my motto; I just have one question. In the original post, you said that you had given him your CHL and during your conversation later he said that he was going to report the incident to the Licensing Bureau. Did he ask for or write down any of your CHL and DL info???? If so, do you think that you might be getting any communications from the CHL Bureau in regards to your CHL status??? If no info taken, then just forget about my question. But remember my motto, " If you don't stand for something, then you will fall for anything."

P.S. I just took a look at your Tucker holster, and I also have those belt clips on my IWB holster. I wear my shirt tucked in when I wear a black suit at an event and know I have to take off my jacket at sometime. To me, walking around in a jacket after everyone else removed theirs, is a tell to me that you are trying to hide something. My shirt is tucked in between the gun and my pants waistline. The clip is hanging on the pants waistline and the hook is under the belt. You can hardly see the edge of the hook if you are wearing a black belt either. Then I just baggy/flop out the shirt a bit and it is "INVISIBLE." And when wearing a Polo shirt, then I'm just untucked and hanging.

[seamusTX]

I don't see anything in the original report that would be a basis for suspension or revocation. You can pore over GC 411.186 and 187 and see if I missed something.

- Jim

[Skiprr]

1) When you say "tuckable", do you mean behind or in front of the gun?

2) Got a link to one so I can see what they look like and how they work?

There are a significant number of shirt-tuckable IWB holsters on the market. In general, they have belt or pant clips that have a deep trough between the anchor point of the clip(s) on the belt and the attachment to the holster. This allows a shirt to be tucked inside that trough, covering the gun and holster and leaving only the clips exposed. Here are some examples:

An animated GIF showing the Comp-Tac Minotaur used as a tuckable: http://www.comp-tac.com/catalog/images/ ... Hiding.gif

The Comp-Tac C-T.A.C., showing the three-plus inches of tuckable space between the top of the clips and the holster attachment point: http://www.comp-tac.com/catalog/product ... ucts_id=61

The Galco "Ultra Deep Cover" with a single, thin clip: http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterT3.asp?Pr ... atalogID=7

The HBE Leatherworks "DC Tuckable": http://www.imageseek.com/hbeleather/gal ... le/40b_115

The Fist #22 "Secret System" holster (with a video link on the page): http://www.fist-inc.com/holsters/holster/22.htm

The Mitch Rosen "Workman" (third from top): http://www.mitchrosen.com/product_line/ ... _line.html

The Milt Sparks "Versa Max 2"; is a tuckable when used with the optional Kydex clips: http://www.miltsparks.com/VM-2.htm

Tucker Gunleather (the Answer, the Texas Heritage, and the "Cover-Up" models are all tuckable: http://rlcompanyusa.stores.yahoo.net/iwbholsters1.html

[jhutto]

"I don't see anything in the original report that would be a basis for suspension or revocation. You can pore over GC 411.186 and 187 and see if I missed something. "

2nd
I do not believe I did anything illegal. I do not believe anyone would try to procecute this, but I do have a lawyer. he seems to believe I was an aggravated assut victim. but I am just going to let it drop unless things continue.

[boomerang]

It's just not worth it to mess with someone's career on a single incident.

That sounds like a decision for the department. They're in a better position than you, me or jhutto to know whether this was an isolated incident or a part of a pattern of behavior, and then determine the appropriate action.

[atxgun]

I'm kind of surprised to read this. I live in Austin and have found the cops to be some of the most reasonable out there.