NM: Hand gun with trigger pulled by Alec Baldwin in rehearsal kills one injures one

[philip964]

Alec Baldwin could be charged again in fatal 'Rust' shooting as new report claims he pulled trigger

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/a ... ed-trigger

Not to defend Baldwin as his actions are pretty indefensible, but someone reassembled the gun after the FBI disassembled the gun put in replacement parts and they have found that Baldwin did pull the trigger.

Seems like a stretch. Maybe I read it wrong.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/16/entertai ... index.html

No I didn’t read it wrong. The FBI broke the gun during their testing. The gun was repaired to working order and when it was the gun would not fire unless the trigger was pulled.

If Baldwin was a Conservative I’d say he was being railroaded.

[powerboatr]

Alec Baldwin could be charged again in fatal 'Rust' shooting as new report claims he pulled trigger

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/a ... ed-trigger

Not to defend Baldwin as his actions are pretty indefensible, but someone reassembled the gun after the FBI disassembled the gun put in replacement parts and they have found that Baldwin did pull the trigger.

Seems like a stretch. Maybe I read it wrong.

all you need to know is FBI...
no matter how we or i feel about baldwin.
he did fire teh gun, a person did die
BUT the FBI makes every thing questionable

[ELB]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/16/entertai ... index.html

No I didn’t read it wrong. The FBI broke the gun during their testing. The gun was repaired to working order and when it was the gun would not fire unless the trigger was pulled.

If Baldwin was a Conservative I’d say he was being railroaded.

I’m baffled. I think the FBI as an institution has no integrity left, but there’s nothing about their initial lab report, or the second one that I can construe to Alec Baldwin’s favor, nor do I see how it is slanted against him. Seems to me that he gave his claim every opportunity to be proven possible, and it wasn’t.

Alex Baldwin claims was the gun fired by itself. The FBI lab tested this numerous ways, including pounding on the hammer of the gun with a mallet I guess, and still couldn’t get it to fire other than by pulling the trigger. My understanding is this is how they broke the gun, Applying so much force that, instead of firing, the gun broke. How does that cut in Alec Baldwin’s favor?

And when they replaced the broken parts, they still couldn’t get it to fire accidentally. To me, that sounds like a very thorough test of his claim, and very strong evidence that it was not possible for the firearm to “go off”.

I don’t see this supporting Alec Baldwin at all, nor do I see how it railroads him. Basically, they showed that the gun operates as designed even under extreme conditions.

[Rafe]

And lest we forget, this was not an actual period-piece firearm. This was a modern-manufacture replica that included 140 years of improvements in materials and assembly. It wasn't a rusted-out antique that someone had sitting in their attic.

[Flightmare]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/al ... rcna104138

One of the sources told NBC News that after further investigation, prosecutors no longer believe the gun had been modified and have found new evidence that they believe connects Baldwin to recklessness around safety standards on the set.

[Rafe]

I hope they charge him again. On whatever grounds are appropriate. At this point, I'll settle for a wrist-slap and a public acknowledgment that he was at fault. He pulled the trigger, zero doubt, plus he was an on-site managing producer. Some form of prosecutorial justice would be good to see.

[philip964]

https://ktla.com/entertainment/ap-grand ... ew-mexico/

Alec indicted by NM grand jury for involuntary manslaughter.

The fact that the gun was broken by the FBI during testing to me is problematic for the prosecution. After the gun was fixed it fired when the trigger was pulled. How do you break a gun testing to see if it fires when the trigger is pulled. Is the FBI covering for a liberal? Was it under orders?

[TxRVer]

https://ktla.com/entertainment/ap-grand ... ew-mexico/

Alec indicted by NM grand jury for involuntary manslaughter.

The fact that the gun was broken by the FBI during testing to me is problematic for the prosecution. After the gun was fixed it fired when the trigger was pulled. How do you break a gun testing to see if it fires when the trigger is pulled. Is the FBI covering for a liberal? Was it under orders?

The testing was to see if it would fire without pulling the trigger. They must have given it very rough treatment trying to get it to fire on it's own.

[puma guy]

https://ktla.com/entertainment/ap-grand ... ew-mexico/

Alec indicted by NM grand jury for involuntary manslaughter.

The fact that the gun was broken by the FBI during testing to me is problematic for the prosecution. After the gun was fixed it fired when the trigger was pulled. How do you break a gun testing to see if it fires when the trigger is pulled. Is the FBI covering for a liberal? Was it under orders?

The testing was to see if it would fire without pulling the trigger. They must have given it very rough treatment trying to get it to fire on it's own.

I've been watching the testimony in the trial of the "Rust" armorer Hannah Guiterrez (There's a lot) and this is a photo of the internals after the FBI demolished it. The Pietta reproduction SA revolver was brand new and was one of several purchased for the Rust production and had no issues during it's use on the set. An expert testified that the testing had produced the damage and had microscopic photos showing the damaged sear notch. the trigger also is broker as well as the cylinder block I'm not a fan of Baldwin but the lax behavior and introduction of live rounds lies solely on Guiterrez.The revolver would not have gone off without a trigger pull. Baldwin is definitely guilty of at least negligent homicide for pointing the weapon at someone and pulling that trigger, but the tragedy was set up by ridiculously lax procedures on the set. Gutierrez was the only armorer that handed Baldwin any weapon when he needed it on the set.
It also appears that the armorer got rid of evidence. She stated there were two boxes of dummy rounds when first confronted by LEO and they saw the two, but she only submitted a single box. Gutierrez also handed a production staffer a bag of what that person to a certainty was likely cocaine ( about the same amount as 4-5 sugar packets) and later emailed that staffer that she wanted her "stuff" back. That was the only thing the staffer had received. She threw it away immediately after she saw what it was because she is a recovering addict and her past would have put her in legal jeopardy if she was found in possession of any drugs. There was testimony that Gutierrez took a child to a range for training against the direstors wishes. I believe that's how she got live rounds mixed with the blanks and dummies and even some molded fake cartridges that are just foer show in a gun belt.There were loose rounds in a Mary Kay bag owned by Gutierrez, that how lax she was. During her interview with detectives she didn't even know that one company who supplied components didn't make loaded ammunition only case and she yelled "what the 'f word that can't be used here'. Those molded cartridges have a distinct name I can't recall, but will not fit in a chamber.
In the photos it shows the sear notch rounded off, the trigger broken and the cylinder lock or block ear broken as well. If all this damage had originally been on the pistol it would have been noticed. The expert who testified and tested the revolver with the damaged and with new parts stated the pistol worked perfectly with the new parts installed. The FBI tester beat the hammer with a mallet, that's why it's damaged and broken. The notch for on an undamaged SA hammer trigger sear is shallow, but it was stout enough the catch the trigger sear and break it off the trigger at some point before the hammer notch was completely rounded.

[Excaliber]

The question the FBI should have attempted to resolve is whether or not there was any way the gun could have fired while being held in one hand without pressing the trigger.

Whether or not it could fire if dropped or beaten with a hammer is irrelevant to the circumstances being investigated.

There are two possibilities here:

- The FBI sabotaged the case to the benefit of Alec Baldwin

- The current FBI firearms lab, which used to be a top notch outfit, is now just another part of Chris Wray's clown show.

[puma guy]

The question the FBI should have attempted to resolve is whether or not there was any way the gun could have fired while being held in one hand without pressing the trigger.

Whether or not it could fire if dropped or beaten with a hammer is irrelevant to the circumstances being investigated.

There are two possibilities here:

- The FBI sabotaged the case to the benefit of Alec Baldwin

- The current FBI firearms lab, which used to be a top notch outfit, is now just another part of Chris Wray's clown show.

The testimony of the FBI tester that they showed indicated to me he is an idiot. I haven't been able to find his entire testimony. That all the revolvers were brand new and functioned properly on the set prior to the incident belies the notion the gun would have gone off without pressure on the trigger. The forensic firearms expert showed that if a hammer slipped from the firing position it would catch on the half cock notch or safety cock notch UNLESS the trigger was depressed. Baldwin used the same firearms during the filming and Gutierrez exclusively engaged in handing him his weapons when called for. The First Assistant Director who was always part of the normal weapons safety check process plead no contest to a charge that he was negligently responsible. Gutierrez loaded the revolver with "dummies" out of his presence and she rotated the cylinder with the loading gate opened , but only showed 3-4 cartridge instead of fully rotating before handing it to Baldwin the second time. Regardless Baldwin shouldn't have been pointing the gun in the direction of persons and is responsible.

[03Lightningrocks]

They act like this firearm has a mind and the ability of cognitive thought. Libtards are simply ignorant. Guns don't kill people. People using a gun kill people. No matter how it happens. If I am driving my car and it runs through a light or stop sign and runs over someone, it is MY DOING. Not the car.

[puma guy]

Hannah Gutierrez has been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in NM VS Hannah Gutierrez. She was the armorer on the movie set of "Rust" the movie that Baldwin killed one person and injured another when the SA revolver he was handling discharged on the set. Sentencing date has not been set, but she is remanded into custody awaiting that date.

I watched some additional testimony and prosecutor evidence in the proceedings and was astounded to hear Gutierrez reply to a detectives question if she was a certified or trained firearms instructor to which she replied "I don't know." I watched the FBI being questioned by the prosecution and he eventually said the firearm probably had to have the trigger pulled to fire before he damaged it. In other words he never did a thorough test before beating on it with a mallet. Nothing in the incident indicated something had struck the hammer to make it discharge so I have to say again he's an idiot or trying cover for Baldwin for some reason. In one alarming video the defense had a firearm expert who uncased a SA pistol on the stand and waved it around without showing it empty and when the judge said he should check the pistol he held it with the barrel pointed toward the judge and the bailiff reached over and pushed it downward. He then denied he had done it. He must have received his training from Gutierrez.

[puma guy]

Hannah Gutierrez's motion for a new trial is denied as well as release before sentencing.

[wheelgun1958]

Hannah Gutierrez's motion for a new trial is denied as well as release before sentencing.

Why is she behind bars but the one with his finger on the trigger isn't?